Defending the Truth

  Defending the Truth > Political Issues > Gay Marriage

Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-20-2008, 12:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
Block Captain
 
hot dragon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: adelaide, australia
Posts: 449
Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Level up: 16%, 169 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 33%
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
hot dragon is offline
Reply With Quote
a better look at evidence
one of the arguments against recognising homosexual relationships is to say that anything not exclusively heterosexual is a flaw, illness or in some way an abnormality. below i provide some recent publications relating to the issue of homosexuality and how it is being discussed in the scientific literature. this literature review is by no means exhaustive.

i have put the articles in roughly into topics. many of them discuss numerous issues and the groups i have used are not the only way of reading them. i have grouped them into articles that discuss the nature of homosexual relationships, the psychology of homosexuality generally and homosexual arousal, the biology of homosexual arousal and desire, the genetic and evolutionary arguments and some information about homosexuality in other species.

there is more published on these issues, and much more published on issues such as rights, equity, prejudice, faith, etc. but i limit myself in this post to the issues above.

none of these articles present homosexuality as a flaw or illness. they all discuss homosexuality in terms of it being a feature of individuals, a variant, a way of being. there is nobody in the mainstream scientific literature who presents it in terms of a problem we should treat or regard as a fault.

this information is not, unfortunately, generally available on the internet. to access any of them you will need access to a university library with subscription access to the journals cited. sorry for the inconvenience, but it seems that citing web sites and books has just lead to more circles. the primary data is the best to use anyway, so happy reading.
Sponsored Links
Old 05-20-2008, 12:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
Block Captain
 
hot dragon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: adelaide, australia
Posts: 449
Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Level up: 16%, 169 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 33%
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
hot dragon is offline
Reply With Quote
 
relationships

Are gay relationship different?
Time. 2008 Jan 28;171(4):78-80. No abstract available.
PMID: 18271211 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Three-year follow-up of same-sex couples who had civil unions in Vermont, same-sex couples not in civil unions, and heterosexual married couples.
Dev Psychol. 2008 Jan;44(1):102-16.
PMID: 18194009 [PubMed - indexed for

Adult romantic relationships as contexts of human development: a multimethod comparison of same-sex couples with opposite-sex dating, engaged, and married dyads.
Dev Psychol. 2008 Jan;44(1):91-101.
PMID: 18194008 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Psychologists' advocacy for the legal recognition of same-sex relationships.
Am Psychol. 2007 Oct;62(7):713. No abstract available.
PMID: 17924773 [PubMed - indexed for

Science, public policy, and legal recognition of same-sex relationships.
Am Psychol. 2007 Oct;62(7):713-5. No abstract available.
PMID: 17924772 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

The influence of same-sex marriage on the understanding of same-sex relationships.
J Homosex. 2007;53(3):135-51.
PMID: 18032290 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Marriage and the civilizing of male sexual nature.
Am Psychol. 2007 Oct;62(7):711-2. No abstract available.
PMID: 17924770 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Commitment in same-sex relationships: A qualitative analysis of couples' conversations.
J Homosex. 2006;51(3):199-223.
PMID: 17135121 [PubMed - indexed
Old 05-20-2008, 12:13 AM   #3 (permalink)
Block Captain
 
hot dragon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: adelaide, australia
Posts: 449
Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Level up: 16%, 169 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 33%
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
hot dragon is offline
Reply With Quote
 
psychology

Then and now: recruitment, definition, diversity, and positive attributes of same-sex populations.
Dev Psychol. 2008 Jan;44(1):135-8.
PMID: 18194012 [PubMed - indexed for

Sexual orientation across the life span: introduction to the special section.
Dev Psychol. 2008 Jan;44(1):1-4.
PMID: 18193999 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

"Mostly straight" young women: variations in sexual behavior and identity development.
Dev Psychol. 2008

Sexual orientation and mental health.
Annu Rev Clin Psychol. 2007;3:353-75. Review.
PMID: 17716060 [PubMed - indexed for

Contesting 'straights': 'lesbians', 'queer heterosexuals' and the critique of heteronormativity.
J Lesbian Stud. 2007;11(3-4):189-201. Review.
PMID: 17954455 [PubMed - indexed for

Sexual orientation and personality.
Annu Rev Sex Res. 2005;16:119-53.
PMID: 16913290 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Lack of differences between males with or without perceived same sex attraction.
J Pediatr Endocrinol Metab. 2006 Feb;19(2):115-9.
PMID: 16562583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Sexual identity development among gay, lesbian, and bisexual youths: consistency and change over time.
J Sex Res. 2006 Feb;43(1):46-58.
PMID: 16817067 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE
Old 05-20-2008, 12:14 AM   #4 (permalink)
Block Captain
 
hot dragon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: adelaide, australia
Posts: 449
Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Level up: 16%, 169 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 33%
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
hot dragon is offline
Reply With Quote
 
biology

Sexual orientation and childhood gender nonconformity: evidence from home videos.
Dev Psychol. 2008 Jan;44(1):46-58.
PMID: 18194004 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Neural correlates of sexual arousal in homosexual and heterosexual men.
Behav Neurosci. 2007 Apr;121(2):237-48.
PMID: 17469913 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Brain response to putative pheromones in homosexual men.
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2005 May 17;102(20):7356-61. Epub 2005 May 9.
PMID: 15883379 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE


Birth order and male androphilia in Samoan fa'afafine.
Proc Biol Sci. 2007 Jun 7;274(1616):1437-42.
PMID: 17412683 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Birth order, sibling sex ratio, handedness, and sexual orientation of male and female participants in a BBC internet research project.
Arch Sex Behav. 2007 Apr;36(2):163-76.
PMID: 17345165 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

The relation between sex drive and sexual attraction to men and women: a cross-national study of heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual men and women.
Arch Sex Behav. 2007 Apr;36(2):209-22. Epub 2007 Mar 23.
PMID: 17380375 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


A gender- and sexual orientation-dependent spatial attentional effect of invisible images.
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2006 Nov 7;103(45):17048-52. Epub 2006 Oct 30.
PMID: 17075055 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE


Finger length ratio (2D:4D) and dimensions of sexual orientation.
Neuropsychobiology. 2006;53(4):210-4. Epub 2006 Jul 26.
PMID: 16874008 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

The biology of human psychosexual differentiation.
Horm Behav. 2006 Nov;50(4):589-601. Epub 2006 Jul 25. Review.
PMID: 16870186 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Biological and psychosocial determinants of male and female human sexual orientation.
J Biosoc Sci. 2005 Sep;37(5):555-67. Review.
PMID: 16174346 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

The neurodevelopment of human sexual orientation.
Neurosci Biobehav Rev. 2005;29(7):1057-66. Epub 2005 Apr 25. Review.
PMID: 16143171 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Fluctuating asymmetry and sexual orientation in men and women.
Arch Sex Behav. 2008 Feb;37(1):150-7.
PMID: 18163207 [PubMed - in process]

Sexual orientation in women with classical or non-classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia as a function of degree of prenatal androgen excess.
Arch Sex Behav. 2008 Feb;37(1):85-99.
PMID: 18157628 [PubMed - in

Sexual orientation-related differences in allocentric spatial memory tasks.
Hippocampus. 2008;18(1):55-63.
PMID: 17924523 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Old 05-20-2008, 12:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
Block Captain
 
hot dragon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: adelaide, australia
Posts: 449
Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Level up: 16%, 169 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 33%
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
hot dragon is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Genetics and evolution

Maternal Inheritance and Familial Fecundity Factors in Male Homosexuality.
Arch Sex Behav. 2007 Jul 31. [Epub ahead of print]
PMID: 17665299 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher

Potential for homosexual response is prevalent and genetic.
Biol Psychol. 2008 Jan;77(1):102-5. Epub 2007 Aug 30.
PMID: 17904267 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Homosexual mating preferences from an evolutionary perspective: sexual selection theory revisited.
Arch Sex Behav. 2007 Oct;36(5):717-23. Epub 2007 Aug 3.
PMID: 17674179 [PubMed - indexed for

Evolutionary biology: genetics and bisexuality.
Nature. 2007 Jan 11;445(7124):158-9. No abstract available.
PMID: 17215833 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The evolution of a social construction: the case of male homosexuality.
Perspect Biol Med. 2006 Autumn;49(4):570-85.
PMID: 17146141 [PubMed - indexed

The alliance theory of homosexual behavior and the perception of social status and reproductive opportunities.
Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2005 Dec;26(6):771-4.
PMID: 16380685 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

Genetic models of homosexuality: generating testable predictions.
Proc Biol Sci. 2006 Dec 22;273(1605):3031-8.
PMID: 17015344 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

A functional endophenotype for sexual orientation in humans.
Neuroimage. 2006 Nov 15;33(3):825-33. Epub 2006 Sep 18.
PMID: 16979350 [PubMed - indexed for
Old 05-20-2008, 12:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
Block Captain
 
hot dragon's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: adelaide, australia
Posts: 449
Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48 Points: 5,581, Level: 48
Level up: 16%, 169 Points needed
Level up: 16% Level up: 16% Level up: 16%
Activity: 33%
Activity: 33% Activity: 33% Activity: 33%
hot dragon is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Homosexuality in other animals

The neural and genetic substrates of sexual behavior in Drosophila.
Adv Genet. 2007;59:39-66. Review.
PMID: 17888794 [PubMed - indexed

Perineal swelling, intermenstrual cycle, and female sexual behavior in bonobos (Pan paniscus).
Am J Primatol. 2006 Apr;68(4):333-47.
PMID: 16534808 [PubMed - indexed for
Old 05-20-2008, 06:33 AM   #7 (permalink)
Partisan
 
tristanrobin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Haven, CT
Posts: 6,753
Points: 34,387, Level: 100
Points: 34,387, Level: 100 Points: 34,387, Level: 100 Points: 34,387, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 87%
Activity: 87% Activity: 87% Activity: 87%
Send a message via Yahoo to tristanrobin
tristanrobin is offline
Reply With Quote
 
damn, hot dragon, you're good!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
500.jpg
"know this is EXACTLY why people think you shouldnt have equal rights" 2/11/08 Grace
The Following User Says Thank You to tristanrobin For This Useful Post:
hot dragon (05-20-2008)
Old 05-20-2008, 09:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
SIMPLETON
 
fxashun's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In my skin
Posts: 7,854
Points: 21,532, Level: 92
Points: 21,532, Level: 92 Points: 21,532, Level: 92 Points: 21,532, Level: 92
Level up: 19%, 818 Points needed
Level up: 19% Level up: 19% Level up: 19%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
fxashun is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Any links. And before I read any of them...Which one actually says that humans are supposed to be gay. A person with one leg shorter than the other can make it in society, but that doesn't mean that it's normal to have uneven legs. That's why they make the funny shoes.

A sterile person can have the same relationship as any other person doesn't mean sterility is a human evolved trait. It's a disorder. Homosexuality is a socially viable disorder. That doesn't mean that humans are supposed to be gay, just that it doesn't make them fruitcakes.

A person with vitiligo has nothing wrong with him except he is turning white. Not a big deal really. But still considered aberrant.

So while your collection of resources is quite impressive, they still don't show how a human/mammal/complex life form has evolved to be gay. At best, if I were to seek them out and read them, they would probably find a homosexual situation and try to find a way to conform to some resemblance of "normal". And that is bullshit. If it were normal, you would be able to start at need, then the instinct, then the facilitation.

For example Bonobos...
Perineal swelling, intermenstrual cycle, and female sexual behavior in bonobos (Pan paniscus).
Am J Primatol. 2006 Apr;68(4):333-47.
PMID: 16534808 [PubMed - indexed for

also have sexual practices with their kids. Does that mean humans are biologically predisposed to pedophilia, or are some bonobos just as f'd up as some humans?

Last edited by fxashun; 05-20-2008 at 09:11 AM.
Old 05-20-2008, 09:27 AM   #9 (permalink)
Partisan
 
tristanrobin's Avatar
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: New Haven, CT
Posts: 6,753
Points: 34,387, Level: 100
Points: 34,387, Level: 100 Points: 34,387, Level: 100 Points: 34,387, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 87%
Activity: 87% Activity: 87% Activity: 87%
Send a message via Yahoo to tristanrobin
tristanrobin is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Which one actually says that humans are supposed to be gay
Is there one that says that humans are supposed to have black skin?
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
500.jpg
"know this is EXACTLY why people think you shouldnt have equal rights" 2/11/08 Grace
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to tristanrobin For This Useful Post:
chandon12 (06-30-2008), hot dragon (05-20-2008), knot_e_lady (05-20-2008)
Old 05-20-2008, 10:07 AM   #10 (permalink)
SIMPLETON
 
fxashun's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In my skin
Posts: 7,854
Points: 21,532, Level: 92
Points: 21,532, Level: 92 Points: 21,532, Level: 92 Points: 21,532, Level: 92
Level up: 19%, 818 Points needed
Level up: 19% Level up: 19% Level up: 19%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
fxashun is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tristanrobin View Post
Is there one that says that humans are supposed to have black skin?
Sure there is. The same one that gives most white people the same complexion when they lay in the sun. It's called melanin. And Black people evolved more of it because of their geographic origin.
Some say it's to protect against the sun. But others say it repels disease. But the fact remains that all humans produce it. Not producing ANY is a disorder. Any other race based questions?
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:20 AM.


 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites