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Old 07-23-2008, 07:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I have read in other articles that Larry's flirting with and "harassing" the straight boys was his reaction to being bullied. Was it the wrong reaction? Yes. Does it make his murder his own fault? No.
I never said Larry was at fault for his death, I simply stated that Larry wasn't the nicest kid on the block, who held no respect for his fellow classmates.

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And your point about Brandon taking responsibility and not blaming his bad childhood?

Brandon is 15 years old. He IS a child. If he were 25, I might agree with you. But at 15 most of us are still reacting to the world the way that our parents have taught us to react.
I don't care if he saw his dad kill his mother. His father did not put that gun in his hand, Brandan chose to take that gun and kill someone. He cannot blame his father. People need to take responsibity for their own actions and stop trying to pin the blame on their childhoods. The majority of people who have had bad childhoods don't grow up and kill someone.

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Was this a homophobia fueled murder?

Ask yourself one question: "Do you believe that Brandon would have murdered a girl who was 'sexually harassing' him in the same manner?"

If your answer is yes, then homophobia has nothing to do with this murder.

If it is no, then you must admit that homophobia was a factor.
If a girl were sexually harrassing Brandan it wouldn't have affected him as much as it did with Larry. Brandan was straight, and any attention from a girl would have been welcome. If a girl had have made out that they were intimate, Brandan would have loved that - it's completely different when it's someone of the same sex, someone who deliberately goes out of their way to make you feel awkward.

I don't condone what Brandan did, but I can certainly understand it. Larry was in the wrong for a very long time, and I think he knew that. He just didn't care.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:03 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I don't care if he saw his dad kill his mother. His father did not put that gun in his hand, Brandan chose to take that gun and kill someone. He cannot blame his father. People need to take responsibity for their own actions and stop trying to pin the blame on their childhoods. The majority of people who have had bad childhoods don't grow up and kill someone.
Brandon hasn't grown up at all yet. He is 15 years old.
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Brandon hasn't grown up at all yet. He is 15 years old.
That is still no excuse for his actions!!!! I don't care what he saw, he made the CHOICE to kill someone!!!! HE is at fault!!!

You are acting like his father is to blame.
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That is still no excuse for his actions!!!! I don't care what he saw, he made the CHOICE to kill someone!!!! HE is at fault!!!

You are acting like his father is to blame.
No need to shout.

Yes, I believe that parents should be held responsible for the behavior of their minor children. Especially so when it can be shown, as it can be here, that the parent taught the child to engage in criminal behavior.
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Actually the law doesn't agree. 15 year olds are being charged as adults all the time now. Even those raised under less than ideal circumstances.
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I never said Larry was at fault for his death, I simply stated that Larry wasn't the nicest kid on the block, who held no respect for his fellow classmates.



I don't care if he saw his dad kill his mother. His father did not put that gun in his hand, Brandan chose to take that gun and kill someone. He cannot blame his father. People need to take responsibity for their own actions and stop trying to pin the blame on their childhoods. The majority of people who have had bad childhoods don't grow up and kill someone.



If a girl were sexually harrassing Brandan it wouldn't have affected him as much as it did with Larry. Brandan was straight, and any attention from a girl would have been welcome. If a girl had have made out that they were intimate, Brandan would have loved that - it's completely different when it's someone of the same sex, someone who deliberately goes out of their way to make you feel awkward.

I don't condone what Brandan did, but I can certainly understand it. Larry was in the wrong for a very long time, and I think he knew that. He just didn't care.
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No need to shout.

Yes, I believe that parents should be held responsible for the behavior of their minor children. Especially so when it can be shown, as it can be here, that the parent taught the child to engage in criminal behavior.
Brandans father did not shoot his mother, then hand him the gun and say 'here son, you might need it one day'.

A 15 year old knows the difference between right and wrong. Sorry if you don't seem to agree.
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SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Metro -- Police's account of killing rebutted

Meanwhile, any of you know actor Steven Paul Hirschfield? Read the account that happened on Saturday evening, following the festivitied of Gay Pride.
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SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Metro -- Male dancer appeared pensive when he jumped into bay

SignOnSanDiego.com > News > Metro -- Police's account of killing rebutted

Meanwhile, any of you know actor Steven Paul Hirschfield? Read the account that happened on Saturday evening, following the festivitied of Gay Pride.
Sounds like he was on some bad drugs and did not have control of his own faculties.

Sad story.

I don't think the cops did anything wrong, I mean, what can you do? If you can't physically restrain someone that out of control, you have to use your sidearm.
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