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Originally Posted by tristanrobin  punishment which also was meted to "rebelious" children
again - picking and choosing is odious | I agree. I don't claim to be Christian though.
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10-22-2008, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by fxashun Nor does anywhere in the the New Testament modify the words regarding same sex activity. Lack of condemnation does not automatically equal acceptance. | Au contraire. The "New Covenant" of Jesus totally supercedes and renders obsolete pretty much anything said in the OT, except maybe the Ten Commandments. | |
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Originally Posted by fxashun Nor does anywhere in the the New Testament modify the words regarding same sex activity. Lack of condemnation does not automatically equal acceptance. | Neither does it specifically say that rebellious children should no longer be killed.
Think that's what Jesus had in mind?
I can discuss this with other Christians - but for you - who openly admits that you're not a practicing Christian - it's absurd to attempt to discuss issues of FAITH. In matters of faith we do not have a common ground nor reference for discussion.
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Originally Posted by Tigerwiccan But according to the Bible, all humans are sinners by default, but by believing in Jesus, their sins are forgiven. So how is homosexuality any different?
And as Tristan said, those "punishments" were all in the OT, and made moot when Jesus came along. | But text about "same sex" activity meted out a very severe penaltyfor that "abomination". Even if the punishment might have been made moot, that doesn't mean that the Bible all of sudden took no issue. There's that backassed thinking again.
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Originally Posted by Tigerwiccan Au contraire. The "New Covenant" of Jesus totally supercedes and renders obsolete pretty much anything said in the OT, except maybe the Ten Commandments. | Somehow I doubt that boning the livestock which was Biblically synonymous with SSA all of a sudden became acceptable after the New Testament. That's just a bullshit assertion. Dammit dialysis is over...Gotta go.
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Originally Posted by tristanrobin I thought you were the one who wanted everything spelled out nice and neat. | Spell it out then. In a logical fashion. But there is no logic that spells out that the Bible accepted gays to the point of marriage. If at all.
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Originally Posted by fxashun But text about "same sex" activity meted out a very severe penaltyfor that "abomination". Even if the punishment might have been made moot, that doesn't mean that the Bible all of sudden took no issue. There's that backassed thinking again. | I go back to the Christian belief that ALL ARE SINNERS. And through Jesus, they believe their sins are forgiven. It doesn't matter if they are gay, a serial rapist, or a tax collector. (YES, those people were hated about as much as any homosexual in those times.) ALL ARE FORGIVEN THROUGH JESUS according to them.
Damn, I make a pretty good sales pitch for Christianity considering I'm a Wiccan, lol. | |
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Originally Posted by Tigerwiccan I go back to the Christian belief that ALL ARE SINNERS. And through Jesus, they believe their sins are forgiven. It doesn't matter if they are gay, a serial rapist, or a tax collector. (YES, those people were hated about as much as any homosexual in those times.) ALL ARE FORGIVEN THROUGH JESUS according to them.
Damn, I make a pretty good sales pitch for Christianity considering I'm a Wiccan, lol. | That's pretty good. But it still doesn't mean that Bible would have agreed with gay men getting married. Even if the Bible says absolutely nothing about actual "same sex activity" the rather obvious and specific condemnation of sodomy and fornication pretty much renders any sex outside of marriage wrong. So since there is no mention of same sex marriage anywhere in The Bible, you would have a VERY hard time justifying an argument that it accepts "gay unions".
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Originally Posted by fxashun That's pretty good. But it still doesn't mean that Bible would have agreed with gay men getting married. Even if the Bible says absolutely nothing about actual "same sex activity" the rather obvious and specific condemnation of sodomy and fornication pretty much renders any sex outside of marriage wrong. So since there is no mention of same sex marriage anywhere in The Bible, you would have a VERY hard time justifying an argument that it accepts "gay unions". | I totally agree. But it doesn't specificly comdemn them either. And if you want to talk about what it means to be gay and Christian, ask Bishop Robinson. Our Bishop - Diocese of NH - The Episcopal Church | |
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