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Poll: Do Gays Have Equality?

Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

View Poll Results: Do you believe gays have equality under the law?
Gays do not have equality. Gays and straights are not treated equally under the law. 16 64.00%
Gays have equality on the marriage issue, but not on gay adoption or gays in the military. 0 0%
Gays currently have equality. The law treats gays and straights the same. 9 36.00%
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Old 10-23-2006, 10:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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1) You are not a member of "most of us". Most of the population supports gay adoption. Most of the population disagrees with anti-gay prejudice.
The ONLY issue that you have a majority on is gay marriage. That's it.
So "most of you" isn't ...

2) You don't want a segment of society raising kids because they'll grow up thinking a way that you don't agree with???
Do you realize how shallow you come across at times?
You're just as shallow as me. I admit I have an agenda. You will not. My agenda is teaching children the truth. Your agenda is teaching children that being a homo is just as normal as being a hetero because we are all born the way we are. Bullshit. That is your opinion and no more valid than other's opinion that it is chosen or learned behavior. You want to silence those who disagree with you by calling them stupid, bigots, etc.
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Old 10-23-2006, 11:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Civil unions offer the same benefits as a married couple..i think.

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Old 10-24-2006, 01:54 AM   #13 (permalink)
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You're just as shallow as me. I admit I have an agenda. You will not.
My GAWD you are so dishonest I think you don't even know what the truth is anymore...

I have admitted I have an agenda. Equality is my agenda.


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My agenda is teaching children the truth. Your agenda is teaching children that being a homo is just as normal as being a hetero because we are all born the way we are. Bullshit.
"teaching children the truth"?
And what "truth" is that supposedly? Teaching them the prejudice that you routinely espouse?

I don't think kids should be taught subjectively pointless crap like "normal" and "not normal". An IQ over 140 is not normal. Being left-handed and red-headed is not normal. "Not normal" is meaningless and pointless.


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That is your opinion and no more valid than other's opinion that it is chosen or learned behavior.
You know, it's times like this that you get REALLY stupid.
You just went from talking about how you want to teach children "the truth", and now you admit to "opinions"...

And the other really stupid part of this is that whether or not homosexuality is a choice IS NOT an opinion. It either IS a choice, or it IS NOT a choice.

Saying it's an opinion is like saying "It's an opinion that the sky is blue, or that it is green".

Being gay is not chosen. The experts unilaterally agree on this. Even the anti-gay experts agree that it is not a choice.
Just a bunch of people who refuse to think hold onto some ignorant philosophy of it being a "choice"...


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You want to silence those who disagree with you by calling them stupid, bigots, etc.
How does that "silence" you anymore than you calling me a "pervert" would silence me?
Again, you whine too much. I don't give a damn how often you call me "pervert". You believe I am a pervert based on your prejudice.
On the flip side, I can SHOW WHY your position is based on ignorance. HOW it is prejudiced.
You whine about that, but it's the truth. The fact that you whine about it, but don't even try to contest it, demonstrates to me that you know it's true...
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Old 10-24-2006, 11:37 AM   #14 (permalink)
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My GAWD you are so dishonest I think you don't even know what the truth is anymore...

I have admitted I have an agenda. Equality is my agenda.



"teaching children the truth"?
And what "truth" is that supposedly? Teaching them the prejudice that you routinely espouse?

I don't think kids should be taught subjectively pointless crap like "normal" and "not normal". An IQ over 140 is not normal. Being left-handed and red-headed is not normal. "Not normal" is meaningless and pointless.



You know, it's times like this that you get REALLY stupid.
You just went from talking about how you want to teach children "the truth", and now you admit to "opinions"...

And the other really stupid part of this is that whether or not homosexuality is a choice IS NOT an opinion. It either IS a choice, or it IS NOT a choice.

Saying it's an opinion is like saying "It's an opinion that the sky is blue, or that it is green".

Being gay is not chosen. The experts unilaterally agree on this. Even the anti-gay experts agree that it is not a choice.
Just a bunch of people who refuse to think hold onto some ignorant philosophy of it being a "choice"...



How does that "silence" you anymore than you calling me a "pervert" would silence me?
Again, you whine too much. I don't give a damn how often you call me "pervert". You believe I am a pervert based on your prejudice.
On the flip side, I can SHOW WHY your position is based on ignorance. HOW it is prejudiced.
You whine about that, but it's the truth. The fact that you whine about it, but don't even try to contest it, demonstrates to me that you know it's true...
Your prejudiced against murderers. You're prejudiced against muggers. You're prejudiced against me breaking into your house and stealing all your velvet Elvis pictures and Judy Garland records. Everyone is prejudiced. All you can show me is another point of view and that is does not make me ignorant. That makes you a person who calls people stupid who disagree with your opinion and that's all.
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Your prejudiced against murderers. You're prejudiced against muggers. You're prejudiced against me breaking into your house and stealing all your velvet Elvis pictures and Judy Garland records. Everyone is prejudiced.
Yes. Everyone is prejudiced against one thing or another.
I would suspect anarchy is the only thing that would be free from "prejudice", possibly.

But regardless, the issue is not being "prejudiced" against murderers. The vast majority of the public is prejudiced against murderers, for GOOD REASON.

A small minority is prejudiced against gays, for no good reason.

I can explain why prejudice against murderers is a secularly good idea.
Can you do the same regarding gays?


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All you can show me is another point of view and that is does not make me ignorant.
You are ignorant when you insist that homosexuality could be a "choice". That's like insisting the earth is flat.


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That makes you a person who calls people stupid who disagree with your opinion and that's all.
And another lie from alias.
It's not JUST disagreeing with me, but disagreeing with me on an issue that can be SCIENTIFICALLY SHOWN that you are stupid on.
That I can PROVE you are being stupid on.

There are plenty of issues where we disagree where you aren't "stupid". Just a different opinion.
There is THIS issue where you are frequently dealing from a position of ignorance. With SPECIFIC examples.
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Yes. Everyone is prejudiced against one thing or another.
I would suspect anarchy is the only thing that would be free from "prejudice", possibly.

But regardless, the issue is not being "prejudiced" against murderers. The vast majority of the public is prejudiced against murderers, for GOOD REASON.

A small minority is prejudiced against gays, for no good reason.

I can explain why prejudice against murderers is a secularly good idea.
Can you do the same regarding gays?



You are ignorant when you insist that homosexuality could be a "choice". That's like insisting the earth is flat.



And another lie from alias.
It's not JUST disagreeing with me, but disagreeing with me on an issue that can be SCIENTIFICALLY SHOWN that you are stupid on.
That I can PROVE you are being stupid on.

There are plenty of issues where we disagree where you aren't "stupid". Just a different opinion.
There is THIS issue where you are frequently dealing from a position of ignorance. With SPECIFIC examples.
It's only not a good reason to you and other gays. I think it's a good reason to protect children from believing the lie that homosexuality is perfectly normal.
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Funny thing: Homosexuals make up 1%-2% of the general population, yet EVERY TV show has AT LEAST ONE homosexual on the snow - and the homosexual is ALWAYS shown in a good light, is ALWAYS the best person on the shows.

No... no bias and blind agendas going on there! Huhh Uhh!
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Funny thing: Homosexuals make up 1%-2% of the general population, yet EVERY TV show has AT LEAST ONE homosexual on the snow - and the homosexual is ALWAYS shown in a good light, is ALWAYS the best person on the shows.

No... no bias and blind agendas going on there! Huhh Uhh!
You really hit the nail on the head there Jefferson!





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First of all, I disapprove of this poll. I agree with both choices #1 and #3. This is because there is no doubt that gay people are treated exactly the same as straight people under the law. And that's what choice #3 says. On the other hand, there is no doubt that gay people are treated unequally, and that's what #1 says. So which one am I supposed to vote for? Obviously I voted for #1, but the poll wording is wrong. Besides, I hate polls. They only show opinion, not reason.

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You might ask in what way would I be effected if gays were allowed to marry?? Well I don't know..but I just think marriage should be kept between a man and a woman. Marriage would probably not even exist if it wasn't for religion. For hundreds of thousands of years it has been between a man and a woman on the basis of religion. Since it is tied in religion, there are many other things that need to be re-written if marriage was allowed for gays.
What else would have to be rewritten? Is there even one other thing?

We aren't suggesting that anyone change his religion. We only want the government to recognize gay marriage and straight marriage the same way.

This is tied into religion, and that's the problem. Gay people are religious too. So instead of deciding that the heterosexual's marriage is law, the government should let each person's own beliefs decide his marriage. Let my beliefs decide my marriage, and let your beliefs decide yours. Your beliefs are no excuse to deny me marriage under the law.

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Funny thing: Homosexuals make up 1%-2% of the general population, yet EVERY TV show has AT LEAST ONE homosexual on the snow - and the homosexual is ALWAYS shown in a good light, is ALWAYS the best person on the shows.

No... no bias and blind agendas going on there! Huhh Uhh!
Maybe I should watch more TV. Anyhow, what does this have to do with same-sex marriage, again?
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Maybe I should watch more TV. Anyhow, what does this have to do with same-sex marriage, again?
If you agree with both #1 and #3, why did you vote for #1?


And, as per my post about the inequality of homo versus hetero representation on TV, it's obvious. It is UNFAIR TOWARD HETEROSEXUALS.
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