Poll: Do Gays Have Equality?

Jefferson · 10-24-2006, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Ignoring how your statement is ridiculously inaccurate...

How would YOU portray them?
Or are you just pissed that gays aren't portrayed in the negative light you desire?
Or that you think they shouldn't be portrayed at all?

Your complaint is more of one with his own agenda that doesn't like the tolerance exhibited in the broadcasting system.

Oh that's funny! On cue, you HAVE to jump in and defend "everything homosexual" as good and right, and everything is unfair to homosexuals.

Why is it that people who comprise 1-2% of the general population are on EVERY TV show, and ALWAYS portrayed in the most positive light possible?

...and homosexuals DON'T have an agenda, my butt.

foundit66 · 10-24-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Oh that's funny! On cue, you HAVE to jump in and defend "everything homosexual" as good and right, and everything is unfair to homosexuals.

A fairly inaccurate assessment of the situation, while you ignore what I actually said COMPLETELY.

Yup. That's a Jefferson 'response'...

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Why is it that people who comprise 1-2% of the general population are on EVERY TV show, and ALWAYS portrayed in the most positive light possible?

1) They are not on "every" TV show. Here's a list of some of the shows on tonight's TV listing. Can you name the "gay" characters?
ABC: Dancing with the Stars, Help me Help You, Boston Legal.
CBS: NCIS, The Unit, Criminal Minds,
Fox: LOL! Yeah right. The number of shows with "gay characters" on fox would be very small...
NBC: Friday Night Lights, Law & Order SVU, Law & Order Criminal Intent.

2) There are a variety of shows that have shown gays in a negative light. Historically, they have ALWAYS been in the negative light up until fairly recently in history.

3) Predictably, you avoided responding to what I ACTUALLY said.
How would YOU portray them?
Or are you just pissed that gays aren't portrayed in the negative light you desire?
Or that you think they shouldn't be portrayed at all?

Your complaint is more of one with his own agenda that doesn't like the tolerance exhibited in the broadcasting system.

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

...and homosexuals DON'T have an agenda, my butt.

I already admitted to my agenda.
Equality. Plain and simple.

And once again, YOU DO have an agenda, but you complain about others having an "agenda".
What's the word for that? Oh yeah. Hypocrisy!

satv365 · 10-24-2006, 11:07 PM

Marriage is a religious institution. In America we have a seperation of church and state. Meaning no law or Government in America can ever favor one religious doctrine over another. Therefor, Constitutionaly the mere idea of regulating marriage, through licenses, taxes, and indeed prohibiting it to homosexuals is un-constitutional.

Marriage should be left to priests, pastors, and not to the government.

Jaxian · 10-25-2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Which means that the writers have an agenda and that is to portray homos in a positive light. Why aren't there any drunk, drug-addicted, deranged homos on TV like in real life?

Haha, probably because the vast majority of homosexuals are not drunks, drug-addicted nor deranged in any fashion. I know probably 30 homosexuals, and not a single one is a drunk, addicted to drugs or deranged any fashion.

How many homosexuals do you know? Just foundit? Maybe I count too, who knows? Regardless, we aren't addicted to drugs, drunk, deranged, depressed, suicidal or anything else like that.

If you want gay people to be portrayed more realistically, perhaps you should tell television shows to stop making them super-effeminate.

hevusa · 10-25-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Marriage is a religious institution. In America we have a seperation of church and state. Meaning no law or Government in America can ever favor one religious doctrine over another. Therefor, Constitutionaly the mere idea of regulating marriage, through licenses, taxes, and indeed prohibiting it to homosexuals is un-constitutional.

Marriage should be left to priests, pastors, and not to the government.

Couldn't have been said better in my opinion!
I very much agree. Welcome to the forum.

alias · 10-25-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

Marriage is a religious institution. In America we have a seperation of church and state. Meaning no law or Government in America can ever favor one religious doctrine over another. Therefor, Constitutionaly the mere idea of regulating marriage, through licenses, taxes, and indeed prohibiting it to homosexuals is un-constitutional.

Marriage should be left to priests, pastors, and not to the government.

No we do not have separation of church and state in America. It is not in the constitution. We have a separation clause that tells government to stay out of religious matters which they have overstepped grossly lately. If you really want separation of church and state, then let people put their religious symbols or whatever anywhere the people choose instead of people in black robes telling us where, when, and how. That is unconstitutional.

Marriage is between a man and a woman no matter what the religion. Always has been since the dawn of civilization.

satv365 · 10-25-2006, 06:52 PM

."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . . .

Enough said on that subject. Here is some more stuff to clarify you Pat Robertson worshippers.

All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

George Washington 1790, Speach to Touro Synagogue in Newport Rhode Island.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and hisGod, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

Thomas Jefferson 1802, letter to the Danbury baptists

"We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries."

Thomas Jefferson 1808, Letter to Virginia baptists.

This should clarify what the Founders intended. If not, then your just ignorant. A seperation of Church and State is there. It has always been there, the Supreme Court knows this, the politicians know this. Christian Fundementalists just throw their hands over there ears and scream la la la la.

You can ignore it all you want, its in the history, its in the Constitution and the Founders put it there.

Furthermore. Homosexual marriage isnt in the constitution for once reason. Marriage is a religious institution. If priest wishes to marry a gay couple, its there own perogative.

This Nation was founded on Liberal ideals of equality and justice for all. This nation was not put forth to further the agendas of the Blind Christian fundementalists who wish to see this country ruled by theocrats and raving preachers.

We have boundarys against Religion taking control over our policys. As it should be. We took away assinine, sodomy laws, that where un-constitutional and down right, Darwinian in nature.

Hopefully, this nation will continue to grow in this direction where people of all walks of life can be protected under the basic rights that is afforded to everyone. This includes Homosexuals too.

Dylan · 10-25-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Funny thing: Homosexuals make up 1%-2% of the general population, yet EVERY TV show has AT LEAST ONE homosexual on the snow - and the homosexual is ALWAYS shown in a good light, is ALWAYS the best person on the shows.

No... no bias and blind agendas going on there! Huhh Uhh!

You should watch "Queer as Folk." All of the regular characters are gay, and a good number are pretty dislikable. I think 2-10% might be a better range, since most of the statistics I've seen are somewhere between there. The actual number is probably somewhere between there.

WARNING: There is a lot of gay sex in the series. Prolongued exposure might cause your conservative brain to explode.

brutalis07 · 10-25-2006, 07:31 PM

Im not a religous person and i really dont have anything against gays(as long as they dont hit on me) so i really don't care if they marry eachother but to adopt children and put them in a situation like that i think is unfair to the kids. To me it would be ackward to grow up in a same sex marrige. As for military service as long as they dont do anything against the rules they should be allowed in.

Jefferson · 10-26-2006, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

You should watch "Queer as Folk." All of the regular characters are gay, and a good number are pretty dislikable. I think 2-10% might be a better range, since most of the statistics I've seen are somewhere between there. The actual number is probably somewhere between there.

WARNING: There is a lot of gay sex in the series. Prolongued exposure might cause your conservative brain to explode.

The claim that 10% of the population is gay has LONG SINCE been proven wrong.

And since we don't have cable right now, I doubt we'd get that show. And even if we were to get it, I have no desire to watch gays having sex. Not my cup of tea. And if that causes your bi-sexual b-cup bra-busting Brenda-banging brain to explode, sobeit.