I never said anything about passing a law dictating a time to pray. I said where does it say in the constitution that a high school football coach can't lead his team in prayer. I said nothing about anyone passing a law to allow it. It should already be allowed because the constitution says the American people may freely practice their religion. It says nothing about not doing it in schools or any government buildings. That is something the ACLU communist mantra is saying and you are parroting it. There is nothing in the constitution that agrees with you. Try again.

Well, I see no trouble with a football coach having a quick session with God before the big game.

Why do they care about shit like this? I hate Leftists more than Republicans, because they bitch and moan about every little thing that dosnt matter!

Exactly. They complain that Christians are intolerant, but lefties are the most intolerant bunch on the planet. They tell you to pray in your home or church. The left wants to tell you what to do, when to do it, and how. They think they know better than anyone else what to do with your money, your beliefs, and your life. They are anti-freedom and pro-socialist agenda. If you disagree, then you're stupid. Look at Kerry. Today he calls anyone fighting in Iraq stupid. That is what he thinks of our troops. That is not what the constitution says. They say you can't put any religious symbols on government property. The constitution doesn't say that. There already are religious symbols on government property. They are bullies and will keep pushing until you stand up to them. Bullshit is what it is.

The coach can pray silently to him or herself. As can the players. But what the coach cannot do is lead prayer with the students, or in some form advocate a certain religion. No matter how trivial it may seem to you, this is unconstitutional. And, you being a self-described libertarian, it quite disturbs me that you would see questions of law and the Constitution of the United States as "little things that don't matter".

Oh puh-leaze.
MOST christians are just fine.
SOME Christians are incredibly intolerant.

Do you deny YOUR intolerance?
Of course you can't.
So I guess that means it's time to pretend others are worse then, eh?


That's the thing that slays me about you alias.
You can't get it through your thick skull that there are other options involved here?

You want to pray in a crowded restaurant before your meal? Leading your family in prayer out loud? Be my guest.
Do you do that Alias? I'm betting no...

You want to erect a ten commandment's monument on your front lawn? Be my guest.
Bet you don't want to do that either.

You don't seem to get that it's not YOUR governmental property. It's not YOUR governmental employee.
Freedom of religion includes EQUALITY of religion. And as such, we're left with either having no school lead prayer, or having a prayer lead in school for every possible religion.

But let me guess. You don't give a crap about anybody's religion but your own?


Do what you want with your life, when you want, how you want.
Don't pretend that it has to include governmental endorsement.


Gee. And I bet your position is that you don't think you know better than anyone else what to do with other people's money, beliefs, or their lives...
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No Alias. There are a variety of people who disagree who are clearly not stupid. They use their brains and don't blindly eschew knowledge just because it doesn't fit their paradigm. They are not stupid.

You are not one of "them".


Asked and answered.
Religious symbols on governmental property are allowed if there is a primary secular purpose.

The REAL bullies are those who insist that THEIR religious symbols be put on governmental property, and ignore other religions that might want to do likewise.

Tell me alias, if you got your cross on governmental property, would you be willing to put up a star of david next to it just as big? How about a wiccan symbol? Or a muslim symbol?

Or is it just YOUR symbol you give a crap about?

The coach has every right to pray openly, and loudly, and have his team join in. Its called freedom of speach, or do you just hate religion so much you want the govt to regulate that.

This isnt a classroom, where you have the teacher leading students in prayer. This is a football game where the coach simply pulls on his faith to win a game.

Nothing wrong with that. Im against forced prayer in school. Im not against banning prayer everywhere.

Oh, and theyre is Jewish, Muslim Imagery on public buildings all over Washington D.C.

There is a Muslime Crescent symbol dealy, on benches in my hometown, along with Jewish, christian etc.

You just seem to beleive that since we have one we have to have all of em. Well, I see no Jews, or Muslims begging to get their symbolism on public buildings and property.

The main point is, is that this nation is predominately Christian. You are going to see Christian Symbold all over. Its just how it goes. Should the brits take down the Crucifex from the parliament building? Should we remove Christian symbols from the White House? no, its just a way to kick dirt over nothing. Thats what the left does, kick dirt over nothing.

Learn to pick more importan battles, and worry about things that actually effect people.

If a government passes a law creating a school, that school cannot have the power to designate a time to pray. If the government passes a law creating a coach, that coach cannot have the power to designate a time to pray. The logic I presented in my last post showed this.

Public schools and coaches exist because government laws say they exist. They get their authority from the laws of the government.

The government cannot hire an official, then give that official the power to ban Christianity. The government never had that power in the first place, and therefore that power is not theirs to give. Hiring that official would be some kind of loophole in the Constitution: "The laws can't ban Christianity, but the laws can hire someone then give that guy the power to ban it!" Of course the government has no such power.

In the same fashion, the government cannot hire an official, then give that official the power to designate a time for prayer. This means that if the government hires a coach, it cannot give that coach the power to designate a time for school prayer. In the same fashion: it cannot give that coach the power to ban Christianity.

Why can't the coach lead the students in prayer? Where does it state that in the constitution?

Asked and answered.
Either debate the answer you've already been given, or move on.