Defending the Truth

It has been argued that gays already have "equality".
I disagree, and see a few distinct issues under which gays clearly are discriminated against.
1) Laws against gay adoption.
2) Laws against gays in the military.
3) Laws against gay marriage.

The history of these arguments can be found here.
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/gay...html#post56702 (Let's start the marriage debate from the beginning)

I'm curious.
What is the general opinion of people and whether or not gays already have equality?

Note: This question is not regarding whether or not you SUPPORT the current status quo, but rather whether or not you believe it is "equal" or "not equal". It is forseeable that a person could see the situation is currently unequal for gays, but support that inequality.

1) Gays do not have equality. Gays and straights are not treated equally under the law.
2) Gays have equality on the marriage issue, but not on gay adoption or gays in the military.
3) Gays currently have equality. The law treats gays and straights the same.

And voted. I think it's pretty obvious where I stand.

The middle issue is kind of weird. I don't think I've ever heard anyone express such an opinion.

I guess the idea is that they have the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Its presuming that heterosexual marriage is the only kind of marriage that has merit, which I think is wrong.

I actually voted for the third one on accident. I ment to vote for the top one. So its really 3 to 1. Sorry.

I made this sticky so you won't have to keep bumping this....

Kat beat me to the reply...

It's the same sort of argument put forth in Loving v Virginia in favor of miscegenation laws. Blacks and whites had an "equal" right to marry within their own race, but it was seen as "racial" discrimination...

Analogously, preventing gay marriage would actually be "gender" discrimination, in my view, and the court cases are typically brought up along that angle.

Analogously, miscegenation laws discriminated against people who were attracted to people of a different race, just like preventing same gender marriage discriminates against people who are attracted to the same gender.
But the BASIS of discrimination is still race / gender (respectively).

For thousands of years marriage is between a man and a woman. Now we have a group of perverts crying because they can't legally get married like normal people do. Poor things. There are children starving all over the world and people dying from AIDS. Why don't you do something for humanity instead of crying all the time about your perceived gross injustices.

Just like the straight people, we are.
So why shouldn't we be treated equally as the straight people?

Because your perverts. Most of us don't want you raising kids because they will grow up to think your kind of sexual behavior is normal. It's not. It's perverted.

I believe in live and let live. Do your thing. Fine by me. Go for it. But when you want to take innocent impressionable children and raise them in that atmosphere, I disagree. I prefer kids are raised knowing the truth. Your sexual behavior is not normal. It's perversion. If you were allowed to raise kids, you would teach them that homosexuality is perfectly normal. I disagree with that.

1) You are not a member of "most of us". Most of the population supports gay adoption. Most of the population disagrees with anti-gay prejudice.
The ONLY issue that you have a majority on is gay marriage. That's it.
So "most of you" isn't ...

2) You don't want a segment of society raising kids because they'll grow up thinking a way that you don't agree with???
Do you realize how shallow you come across at times?

I think both of you have your points.

I would support civil unions for gay couples, but not gay marriages.

You might ask in what way would I be effected if gays were allowed to marry?? Well I don't know..but I just think marriage should be kept between a man and a woman. Marriage would probably not even exist if it wasn't for religion. For hundreds of thousands of years it has been between a man and a woman on the basis of religion. Since it is tied in religion, there are many other things that need to be re-written if marriage was allowed for gays.

Civil unions offer the same benefits as a married couple..i think.