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Old 01-05-2007, 11:34 PM   #51 (permalink)
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It doesn't matter if the koran is true or false. What matters is there are an awful lot of muslims who believe it and act on what it says. That is what matters.
And likewise, when some Christians act on their beliefs regarding homosexuals AGAINST other homosexuals, THAT is when it becomes a problem for gays.

If you kept your beliefs to yourself and observed them in your personal life instead of trying to impose them on others, it wouldn't be a problem.
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How predictable that you would again misrepresent the bible.
That sword IS NOT a symbology of what you use against your common man.

The preceding verse CLEARLY establishes it is an armor / weapon against the DEVIL.
Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.


e. The sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: The idea is that the Spirit provides a sword for you, and that sword is the word of God. To effectively use the Sword of the Spirit, we can’t regard the Bible as book of magic charms or tie one around our neck the way that garlic is said to drive away vampires.

i. To effectively use the sword, we must regard it as the word of God - which is the word of God. If we are not confident in the inspiration of Scripture, that the sword really came from the Spirit, then we will not use it effectively at all.

ii. But we must also take the sword of the Spirit in the sense of depending that He helps us to use it. Not only did the Spirit give us the Scriptures, but also He makes them alive to us, and equips us with the right thrust of the sword at the right time.

iii. Think of a soldier or a gladiator in training, practicing sword thrusts and moves and positions. Now, he must practice them ahead of time, and if he is a superior fighter, and has a great fighting instinct, at the time of battle he will instantly recall which thrust, which position suits the precise moment. He will never be able to use the thrust in the fight if he has not first practiced it, but he still needs to make the move at the moment.

iv. Therefore, effectively using the sword takes practice. The great example of this was Jesus combating the temptation of Satan in the wilderness. Luther was another example of this, when he came to any understanding of Psalm 31:1: deliver me in Your righteousness. This helped him understand the real meaning of the just will live by faith.
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Yes, the devil is what influences men to do evil. That is why no homos believe the word of God. That is why the word of God is called the sword of the spirit.
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And likewise, when some Christians act on their beliefs regarding homosexuals AGAINST other homosexuals, THAT is when it becomes a problem for gays.

If you kept your beliefs to yourself and observed them in your personal life instead of trying to impose them on others, it wouldn't be a problem.
Likewise. Keep your ideas out of our schools and away from our children. As long as you are going to impose your degenerate lifestyle on our kids through the school sytem and the media, we will instruct our children what is right and what is wrong. There is a battle going on.
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Likewise. Keep your ideas out of our schools and away from our children.
"our" children?

You silly person. You just don't get it.
It is in the schools because the parents WANT it there.
The parents can typically withdraw their kid from any class that teaches something they don't deem fit.
YOU can keep YOUR kids from not seeing it.
But YOU CANNOT keep OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS from seeing something that OTHER KIDS' PARENTS WANT them to see.


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As long as you are going to impose your degenerate lifestyle on our kids through the school sytem and the media, we will instruct our children what is right and what is wrong. There is a battle going on.
And thus alias changes the subject.
AGAIN.

I don't give a flying crap if you teach your kids that the King of England is God. Teaching your kids ignorance is your right.
What is NOT your right is to limit my rights and privileges because you are prejudiced against gays.
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"our" children?

You silly person. You just don't get it.
It is in the schools because the parents WANT it there.
The parents can typically withdraw their kid from any class that teaches something they don't deem fit.
YOU can keep YOUR kids from not seeing it.
But YOU CANNOT keep OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS from seeing something that OTHER KIDS' PARENTS WANT them to see.



And thus alias changes the subject.
AGAIN.

I don't give a flying crap if you teach your kids that the King of England is God. Teaching your kids ignorance is your right.
What is NOT your right is to limit my rights and privileges because you are prejudiced against gays.
We are not teaching our kids ignorance. The public school system has been taken over by a bunch of new agers. We have a right to be prejudiced against perversion. You can call it whatever you like. You call it "choice", it's still murder. You call it "gay", it's still perversion. You can change the definitions and make it pretty, but it is what it is. You can take a pig and give it a bath and put a nice pretty pink bow in it's tail, but when it see's a mud puddle, it's gonna wallow in it. A pig is a pig. Perversion is perversion. You should be discrimated against. I wouldn't want a drug addict or an alcoholic teaching my kids and I sure wouldn't want a homo teaching my kids. Why do you think more and more people are taking their kids out of the public school system. Just because a bunch of new agers run it doesn't make it right. There is a battle going on.
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We are not teaching our kids ignorance.
Actually, yes you are.
And before you start in with your obfuscational lies, I'm not talking about value judgments. I'm talking about issues of fact.

Despite what you claim, people do not choose to be gay. Even the anti-gay so-called "experts" understand that, but you cannot.
That is ignorance.

If you want to teach them that planting different crops in the same field is evil, or that multi-fabric clothing is evil, that's your perogative.


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The public school system has been taken over by a bunch of new agers.
How many times do we have to sit through these inanely stupid conspiracy theories?
Have you ever heard of a SCHOOL BOARD? Which is ELECTED???

There is no "taking over" except by the will of the majority.
A majority which doesn't have the depths of prejudice against homosexuality that you do, but you don't want to admit that.


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We have a right to be prejudiced against perversion.
Is anybody saying otherwise?


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You can take a pig and give it a bath and put a nice pretty pink bow in it's tail, but when it see's a mud puddle, it's gonna wallow in it. A pig is a pig.
It's funny how you liken gays to pigs, but when your mother is brought into the equation you get all byatchy.
If you can't take the heat, don't play with fire.


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You should be discrimated against.
A majority disagree with you on EVERY ISSUE with one sole exception.
Gay marriage is the ONLY exception.
Even when it comes to "civil unions", you're in the minority.


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I wouldn't want a drug addict or an alcoholic teaching my kids and I sure wouldn't want a homo teaching my kids.
What's that inane reply you give to cowardly hide from analogies?
Oh yeah.
"The topic is not drug addicts or alcoholics."


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Why do you think more and more people are taking their kids out of the public school system.
Why do you think that the people who DO take their kids out of public schools are still in a SMALL MINORITY.
The vast majority of parents keep their kids in public schools.
And despite what you may want to believe, a LOT of the private school systems do not discriminate against gays either.
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Yes, the devil is what influences men to do evil. That is why no homos believe the word of God.
This is yet another lie amongst many that you tell.
There are quite a few churches with gays that believe the bible.

The funny thing is that you differ with them on one aspect, the bible's treatment of homosexuality, and thus you disregard their entire belief as non-existent.


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That is why the word of God is called the sword of the spirit.
Like I stated, it was talking about the armor to be used against the devil.
NOT against PEOPLE.
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I've seen homos fight. Girls can do more damage.
Some of them can kick your ass. Ever see how jacked some of them are?
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We are not teaching our kids ignorance. The public school system has been taken over by a bunch of new agers. We have a right to be prejudiced against perversion. You can call it whatever you like. You call it "choice", it's still murder. You call it "gay", it's still perversion. You can change the definitions and make it pretty, but it is what it is. You can take a pig and give it a bath and put a nice pretty pink bow in it's tail, but when it see's a mud puddle, it's gonna wallow in it. A pig is a pig. Perversion is perversion. You should be discrimated against. I wouldn't want a drug addict or an alcoholic teaching my kids and I sure wouldn't want a homo teaching my kids. Why do you think more and more people are taking their kids out of the public school system. Just because a bunch of new agers run it doesn't make it right. There is a battle going on.
So what is your defenition of "perversion?" What is perverse in your culture may not necessarily be perverse in another. "Morality" and "perversion" are loaded words. They reflect societal and individual thinking on an issue which has been judged multiple ways. I don't use the word "morality" much anymore because it's what society judges to be wrong, not what is really wrong. Remember, at one time women working and mixed race children were considered "perversions."

Here's a litle story of a private school, meant to teach the "truth." It's a catholic school near my house where I almost went. The state's archdiocese run it, and even though the education is pretty much equivalent to my school, it's got more drugs, drinking, and sex than all the other schools in the county put together. Why? They're teaching TEENAGERS. Excessive restrictions and preaching make kids annoyed and encourage them to break rather than follow rules. So there, forcing "morality" only damages it.
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We keep hearing that reparative therapy is sooooooo successful. Yet, for some reason, the only place one hears about this AMAZING medical treatment is on self-serving, self-promoting anti-gay hate sites. Can you explain why this medical break-through has not been reported on by tv news, made the cover of magazines and newspapers, and become all the talk on radios, etc.? Nobody seems to know about it except for the handful of people who claim to be able to make this amazing discovery. Surely the world would be interested in this miraculous 'advance,' no?

Do the anti-gay activists really want for their children to marry a gay person who is hiding his true orientation in order to 'pass’ and going through this ‘therapy???’

Most gay people can 'pass' without anybody really knowing they are gay.
Most could definitely get some person of the opposite sex to fall in love with them, to help them hide their homosexuality from the world.
Is this REALLY the person they would like to see married to their children?
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