You do realize that you just come off as a raving lunatic when you say crap like that, don't you?
I mean, when I ask you to point to a SPECIFIC LIE, you can't do it.
Because I'm not lying.

I speak with information that I get from professional main-stream resources. The AMA, APA, AAP, etc.
Real research.

And you can't refute it, so you blindly claim everything I say is a lie.
Do you think ANYBODY here believes that allegation?


And there we have it again.
You make a sweeping claim, with absolutely NO STATED BASIS for your claim, and then you state that disagreeing with you is a lie.

I'll refute you, and go one step further by showing how GAY MARRIAGE ITSELF is not harmful to society.

"The results of more than a century of anthropological research on households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and through time, provide no support whatsoever for the view that either civilization or viable social orders depend upon marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Rather, anthropological research supports the conclusion that a vast array of family types, including families built upon same-sex partnerships, can contribute to stable and humane societies.

The Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association strongly opposes a constitutional amendment limiting marriage to heterosexual couples."

Media Release: Statement on Marriage and the Family from the American Anthropological Association


You don't seem to comprehend that NOBODY IS EXPECTING you to "accept it as normal".
Over and over again, YOU YOURSELF are INCREDIBLY DECEITFUL in what you claim the arguments are about.
The argument is on whether or not gays should be discriminated against.

If you want to disapprove, that's your right. NOBODy is saying differently.
At least start being honest in admitting what the real point of refutation is ACTUALLY about.


And that is another lie from Alias.
It seems like I can't get through a single post from him these days without finding some lame lie.
But all he can do in response is claim everything I am saying is a lie, while being able to point to NOTHING specific which is a lie.

My own personal suspicions is that he's just tired of getting his ass whupped on the actual topics, and is just in ranting mode right now.
I don't think he realizes how people actually view him. I'm not talking about your or I, as we're obviously gay and thus not worthy of his opinion...
I'm talking about most of the other posters who view his antics.

To some degree, I think he does know, deep down, how people view his prejudice. As I have pointed out before, he says he knows gay people but obviously does not discuss his opinion on gays with them.
It would be kind of funny if he were to attempt to give them "reparative therapy" material and tell them that they should change. But he'll never do that.


No doubt.

I only respond to him because he provides an example of the typical anti-gay arguments. They claim that gay marriage will "harm" society and traditional marriage, but then they cannot explain HOW that will supposedly happen.

The "smart" people who make those absurd claims have learned long ago to not even try to step in the ring with me, because I'll expose their b.s. arguments.
Alias isn't capable of learning that, and is all too willing to provide an example for me of how false their arguments are. How deceitful they can be.

That's the only reason I respond to his b.s. And he's all too willling to continually provide me with willing examples of how the anti-gay side deceitfully operates on false claims.

Oh yes, everyone thinks Alias is a bigot and stupid because Foundit says so. I love to watch you keep trying to get your confirmation every day. I don't need to it. I know who I am and what I believe and I am perfectly comfortable with it. If 50 homosexuals and 50 liberals tell me I'm stupid and a bigot, then I know I'm okay. Thanks for the confirmation.

Quite frankly, there are a few examples where I pointed out hypocrisy, where others chimed in that they had observed it themselves.
My "say so" isn't the issue.
People can see your actions for themselves and judge for themselves.
And THAT is what I give most of the credit to.


1) Yes. I "get my confirmation" by coming here to hear you tell me about how crappy gays are, and how people are against gays.
That gives me a lot of "confirmation"...
< end sarcasm >
2) I'm curious exactly how YOU THINK I get "confirmation" out of this.
I know how some might see that, but considering your position of denigration towards gays, HOW the heck do you think any "confirmation" is involved???
Unless you're admitting that you're more impotent here than you let on.


On the flip side, I have to laugh at you regarding some of these issues and a LOT of your responses.
I am typically very careful about calling your STATEMENTS or your ARGUMENTS as "ignorant" or what not. I try my damndest to avoid calling YOU PERSONALLY any names.

And as for "bigot", I keep challenging you to show me the last time I called you that but you cannot do it.

With that in mind, your reply demonstrates a LOT MORE about how you view yourself and your own parannoia on people's views of you than they do how other people are talking about you.

Andl likewise, religious authorities aren't the final word, either, but at least researchers have the resources and the knowledge to look at an issue with a critical eye and make a decision based on information. Churches can't do that. They have to rationalize their views and can't just formulate new ones.

As I said, if somebody wants to try and change they're welcome to, but it most likely won't work.

Well, if the shoe fits...

If they say nothing more than "you're a stupid bigot," then you're probably right. It's probably nothing more than name-calling. But if they are justifying themselves by providing examples of the things you say and do, then it might be worthwhile to actually consider what they have to say.

I don't personally know whether you're stupid or bigotted. But it does appear to me that you will stubbornly deny that you have wronged others so that you might trick yourself into believing that are a good person, who treats other people right.

When people are begging you to stop hurting them, why not stop? Can you truly find your actions moral? Did Jesus treat people in such a fashion that they begged him to stop hurting them, or did he merely speak of God in hopes that others would change their beliefs?

But you don't seem to even understand your actions. Look at this:

How can you seriously post this? Do you seriously think that gay people are expecting people to view homosexuality as "normal". Who cares about whether people consider it "normal"? I sure don't care about that. Think of it as totally abnormal. That's fine. Haven't I explained this before? How can I possibly get you to comprehend it? Maybe all caps will work: NO ONE CARES WHETHER YOU THINK HOMOSEXUALITY IS NORMAL. There.

Now that we've got normality out of the way, you need to understand that it is YOU who is forcing gay people to believe the way you want.

Our stance is this: "Treat gay couples and straight couples the same, and people can decide their relationships for themselves, based on their own beliefs."

Your stance is, apparently, "Treat straight couples as superior to gay couples, because that's what Christianity says, and we need to do the Christian thing. Oh, and people can believe whatever they want."

Do you see the problem here? You're writing your own beliefs into law, and punishing people who disagree. Then you somehow follow it up with the absurd claim that you aren't forcing your beliefs upon anyone. But that's exactly what you're doing! You're forcing people to live according to your beliefs or face a denial of privledges by the law.

Even a stupid person can see that you're wrong. I don't think it's stupidity that guides you: it's stubborness. Can you not even consider the possibility that you might be wrong?

If I am wrong, God is wrong and the bible is wrong. I'll side with God.