I figured that since someone else want's to use the 'procreation' card as a reason to deny SSM, that we needed a seperate area to discuss the procreation theory rather then interrupt the SANCTITY issue I asked previously...

Ok, the anti-SSM crowd also says that if two same sex couples married, that it'll forever damage my hetrosexual marriage in the area of procreation and child rearing abilities. I'm curious just how this will come about and will be one of the causes of 'destroying marriages' for us hetrosexuals...

Now, the premises of this argument is one of that having children is a requirement/basic principle of my marriage. That one of the reasons I should have choosen to get married, was to ensure that my husband and I concieved children and to provide them with the benefits of said marriage...

The second premises of this argument is that somehow, because two individuals of the same gender marry, that this will somehow cause a problem with either of us having a child, raising the child, or providing for that child whatever...

Hubby and I married late in my reproductive years. Simply put, my 'biological clock' is ticking quickly to a stop. Even if it wasn't, I face major health issues and have suffered no less then 7 strokes in the past 3-4 years and had suffered one before hubby and I tied the knot. In my case, the doctors actually have discouraged me to even attempt pregnancy and settle for other alternatives that won't put me at a higher risk then I already am...Not to mention, hubby's capabilities of fathering a child of his own is pretty slim due to the Canadian armed forces experimenting on their soldiers with agent orange, of which hubby was a part of those experiments....

Yet, despite all the fact that concieving or having a child is very slim, we were still allowed to be married. In fact, we could have (and did) tried to concieve without even getting married. So procreation wasn't part of the origional vows of either of our marriage ceremonies (niether the spiritual one nor the civil one). We just view it as if it happens great, but if it doesn't we've got each other.

Still, let's pretend that they were for a bit. Let's pretend that we have to have children.

1. IF hubby and I don't concieve or it's found out one of us can't concieve, should our marriage be annulled on the argument that marriage is for protecting procreation?
2. Do we blame same sex couples for the inability to concieve? Is it their fault if my hubby has a low sperm count? Is it their fault that my body may not be able to cope with the stress of pregnancy?
3. Do I suddenly become less physically capable of concieving because of SSM?
4. If we don't concieve does that mean we will not be able to function emotionally as a married couple and it's pretty much a waste for us to stay married?

Let's pretend that we not only concieve, but it's a successful pregnancy now...

1. Do we suddenly love and care for our child less because two couples of the same gender got married?
2. Will we become worse parents to said child because two same sex couples got married? In otherwords, be more inclined to abuse or mistreat the child?
3. If one of us passes on, does that mean that our child will be taken out of the will and not receive his/her inheritance because two couples of the same gender got married?
4. Will our son/daughter not be allowed to be called son/daughter because of the SSM couples?

What exactly does a future child of ours lose because of SSM? What exactly do we lose as parents towards our personal rights to have children occure because of SSM?

I'm assuming you are a heterosexual married person.

The better question should be, why don't you value procreation and the symbolism behind the word "marriage". As the highest forms on life on this planet, if you can just cast off the word that symbolizes the magical gift that you and your spouse can create another human being as you were created as just "another law to change" then more power to you.

One man created word won't change the ability to make babies in one iota. We all know that. It's what it stands for. I mean when you look at things from a "me" perspective" two planes flew into the world trade center ya know? I didn't lose anyone in at all in that disaster so using your logic, it shouldn't have effect "my life". But every time I see that video it still effects me.

So I ask you, do you feel anything when you see the 911 video of those planes going into those buildings? If you don't well that's your right. If you do, think about what that sybolised to you and think, that was just 2 planes. "Marriage" to me, symbolizes everyone and something we share with every living thing on the planet.

Good day.

Okay so you have describe something has an actual effect now what actual effect does gays or any other minority goup eg Satanists, Wiccans, criminals, infertile couples, etc have on your marriage? Where is the tangible effect?

"value procreation"?
You keep assuming, with no evidence presented, that "marriage" has to include some representation or symbolism of "procreation".
To date, you have shown no reason why, except for circular logic.

We "value" procreation.
We just don't see how marriage has any requirements for it, especially considering it has no requirements for it for heterosexuals...


And more claims of procreation and symbolism in marriage.
But STILL no proof of this claim...


OMG.
Comparing gay marriage to the world trade center terroristic assault????

The 9/11 assault was a wake-up to America. People no longer felt safe because we were reminded of a great threat TO OUR VERY LIVES.
People ACTUALLY DIED on 9/11. The fact that they pulled off such a mass killing and mass destruction with such ease is what caused people to no longer feel safe. An ACTUAL THREAT.

How the heck does gay marriage compare to that???


Symbolism DOES exist.
It's just that the symbolism that YOU see in marriage is something YOU see.
Quite frankly, I have yet to see any evidence that anybody else shares that view...


And if you see a couple that state that they don't want to have children, does that disturb your image of marriage at all?
If a woman gets married in her 60's, and she can obviously not procreate, does that disturb your image of marriage?

The sanctity of marriage is definitely something sacred. . . even people who don’t believe in God sometimes go to a priest or pastor to get married.

So, marriage of homosexuals is a religious issue, whether we like it or not.

Jesus said: “What you do to the least of my brethren, ye do also unto me. . . “

A lot of people consider homosexuals to be the least of their brethren. . . so, the next time you feel compelled to judge them based on their sexual identity, think about that.

Now, this forum is about gay marriage. . . so we should keep it to the subject. Fxashun: so far you have not told us how or why two homosexuals getting married will affect your marriage. Furthermore, all you’ve seem to have done is confuse people based on your opinions (which, I admit, you have a right to).

Let me ask you this: Why is it important to you what two complete strangers do with their lives? It certainly doesn’t bother them what you do. . . furthermore, how does it affect your daily life?

I know what you’ll probably say. . . but think about this before you respond: the bible says, “Judge, and be judged.”

I know you’re an agnostic (which, quite frankly, is part of the problem here). I have no problem with that – one can believe as one wants. What you’re failing to realize is that you are not God and don’t have a right to judge others based on your personal opinions.

Maybe, just maybe, you have a point: that homosexuality is abnormal and that man was not created for this, uh, stuff.

But, you are not God, and don’t have the power or right to try to change others. Nor, my friend, do you have the authority to judge them. Don’t you agree?

Good day

I think I said none.....read it.

So then what is your problem w/ gay marriage?

"value procreation"?
You keep assuming, with no evidence presented, that "marriage" has to include some representation or symbolism of "procreation".
To date, you have shown no reason why, except for circular logic.

My logic goes in a straight line. Where is the circle? One man one woman symbolizes monogamous procreation. Without getting into religion, and the fact that just about every widely practiced one has the same constant, there is no better way to put it.

We "value" procreation.
We just don't see how marriage has any requirements for it, especially considering it has no requirements for it for heterosexuals...

Symbolism.....It's in the dictionary.

And more claims of procreation and symbolism in marriage.
But STILL no proof of this claim...

Symbolism....I know when you think as literal as you obviously so, that's a hard concept.

OMG.
Comparing gay marriage to the world trade center terroristic assault????

The 9/11 assault was a wake-up to America. People no longer felt safe because we were reminded of a great threat TO OUR VERY LIVES.
People ACTUALLY DIED on 9/11. The fact that they pulled off such a mass killing and mass destruction with such ease is what caused people to no longer feel safe. An ACTUAL THREAT.

How the heck does gay marriage compare to that???

I was comparing symbolic feelings. To me the word "marriage" makes the "World Trade Center" an outhouse. And I am sure there are people who are actually religious that it mean even more to.

Symbolism DOES exist.
It's just that the symbolism that YOU see in marriage is something YOU see.
Quite frankly, I have yet to see any evidence that anybody else shares that view...

Have you been on the internet. There are religious people in an uproar. Gay people get shot for just being gay. And you think no one shares my view? You are on crack. Or you spend too much time in this gay den.

And if you see a couple that state that they don't want to have children, does that disturb your image of marriage at all?
If a woman gets married in her 60's, and she can obviously not procreate, does that disturb your image of marriage?

Symbolism...Britney spears was married for 55 hours. I think I acknowledged that his views may differ, that is his right. And the instances of divorce prove that many people don't value marriage. And yes it is disturbing. But then again, there are a lot of things disturbing me right now.

I've voiced that in the appropriate thread. Check my history.

I have been reading your postings and you have yet to come up with anything that will tangibly affect your marriage or anyone else's by the fact gays are getting married.