We're not REALLY talking about statistics here, are we? No.

Let's review some FACTS:
- The top six U.S. male serial killers were all gay.
- 1%-2% (homosexuals) of the population accounts for over 40% of all sexual abuse of children.


Also, it's just a little difficult to deny the FACT that 6-year old Christopher Michael Barrios was abducted, sodomized and murdered by George David Edenfield - a gay may who had done this same thing before. Then his gay lover, Donald Dale, got involved in the lies.



Sick, sick, sick...

Those are statistics. I'm not sure how you are rating the top six male serial killers, I would guess by numbers of victims. How about the data leading to that conclusion? I don't have handy a list of US serial killers and their numbers.

I would also like to see the data for your second statistic. Homosexuals make up more than 2% of the population, something closer to 4% self-identified in 2004. There are also those who are "closeted" though I cannot comment on numbers. As far as the 40% number, where does this come from? Again I do not like to accept things on their face, I prefer to see the data behind them.


As to your last statement about Mr. Edenfield, why would you bother to list a single example when we are talking about statistical patterns. A single case would not convince me, so please do not attempt to make an appeal to emotion, it is a logical fallacy. I would not attempt to convince you I was correct by posting an equally disturbing story about a heterosexual man who abused and killed a child, please accord the same respect for my reasoning ability. I use formal logic to analyze things, if you wish to sway me to your side, use that. Build your case, provide sources... or not, it's your choice either way.

1. Read the links - and follow the sources cited in those links.
2. Edenfield is yet another example of this kind of sick behavior that we're supposed to believe does NOT happen, and are supposed to believe is NOT part of a clear pattern.

You're correct - I loathe him. However, if you look at this thread, my first post was a direct on-topic reply to his post. No ad hominem attacks or insults. It required Jefferson to start calling me names - as always.

I do NOT start out the day looking for fights and arguments - and try to be as civil as I can, considering how much I dislike the person. But, do a quick search on his past ten/twelve posts. How many were belligerant and confrontational - even when he STARTED a thread?

He's simply determined to be as unpleasant to all as possible...and, though it's true, he does attack me more than others, I'm hardly the only member to whom he's rude and obnoxious.

"Mental health professionals agree that pedophilia should never be considered normal, because it is truly a disease. None of the things that make homosexuality a normal variation of human sexuality apply to pedophilia."
- Martin Downs, WebMD Medical News

"There is no medical evidence to suggest an association between homosexuality and impaired moral judgment."
- Journal of the American Medical Association - Pediatric Forum, March 2001

"It is ludicrous to identify pedophiles as homosexuals."
- Stan Robson, Chief Deputy, Benton County Sheriffs Department
(In over 14 years of Robson's work with pedophiles, 498 out of 500 offenders identified themselves as heterosexual.)

"The vast majority of offenders are heterosexual men. Male offenders who abuse young boys maintain adult heterosexual relationships. The habitual molester of boys is rarely attracted to adult males."
- Roland Summit, M.D. Head Physician, Community Consultation Service, Harbor UCLA Medical Center.

"The belief that homosexuals are particularly attracted to children is completely unsupported by our data. The child offenders who engaged in adult relationships as well, were heterosexuals. There were no homosexual adult oriented offenders in our samples who turned to children."
- A. Nicholas Groth, Ph.D., Director of the Sex Offender Program, Connecticut Department of Corrections, and Co-Director of the St. Joseph College Institute for the Treatment and Control of Child Sexual Abuse

"The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children."
-Dept. of Psychology, UC Davis

"Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children."
- American Psychological Association

The American Psychological Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Academy of Child Psychiatrists and the Child Welfare League of America all have policy statements stating there is no correlation between homosexuality and child abuse.
When asked about this question, the American Psychiatric Association wrote to the Senate stating: “While we are all concerned by the issu of sexual abuse, there is no credible evidence that lesbians and gay men are more likely to commit such offenses than others. Gay men and lesbians do not pose any particular threat to youth and should not be singled out or discriminated against in any manner.
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Study #6
Note: This one is specific to MALE molestation.
11. Sexual orientation: More than 70 percent of the men who molest boys rate themselves as heterosexual in their adult sexual preferences. In addition, 9 percent report that they are equally heterosexual and homosexual. Only 8 percent report that they are exclusively homosexual. The majority of the men who molest boys are also married, divorced, widowed, or living with an adult partner.
Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute
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Study #7
Seventy-seven percent of perpetrators of maltreatment were parents and 11% were other relatives of the victims. Only 2% of the perpetrators of maltreatment -- were people in other caretaking relationships to the child victims.
frontline: the child terror: tracking abuse: statistics on child sexual abuse
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Study #8
"Suggests that homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia may be mutually exclusive and that the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater risk to the underage child than does the adult homosexual male." [p 609]
Newton, David E., 1978 "Homosexual Behavior and Child Molestation: A Review of the Evidence", Adolescence, 13, 29.
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Study #9
"Existing studies provide no reason to believe that anything other than a random connection exists between homosexual behavior and child molestation. The typical offender is a heterosexual male." [p 610]
"Stigma, Prejudice, and violence against Lesbians and Gay Men" (pp. 60-80 in John Gonsiorek and James Weinrich (eds) "Homosexuality: Research Implications for Public Policy" Sage Publications, 1992). Herek says: "Since 1978, no credible new data have been published that contradict the conclusions" [that pedophilia is a crime committed almost exclusively by heterosexuals].
Gays and Pedophilia
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Revisiting one of Carole Jenny's study
Ninety percent of child abuse is committed by heterosexual men. In one study of 269 cases of child sexual abuse, only two offenders were gay or lesbian. Of the cases studied involving molestation of a boy by a man, 74 percent of the men were or had been in a heterosexual relationship with the boy's mother or another female relative. The study concluded that "a child's risk of being molested by his or her relative's heterosexual partner is over 100 times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual."10
http://archive.aclu.org/issues/gay/parent.html

So heterosexuals are the all-loving, all-caring, compassionate people of the world?

Ummmm....WRONG!

Ummmm...so there!

You've recruited all your gay trolls over to this forum to turn it into yet another LGBT troll site. And all you can do is scream, cry and whine your ass off when somebody doesn't to the party line.


Now, why not be a good boy and try to explain away that homosexuals are directly involved in a disproportionately high number of sexual crimes?

How about you and your buddy Trista explain away why homosexuals are involved in such a disproportionately high number of sex crimes and child molestations?

Blah blah blah.

Just more GLBT propaganda.