Sure we can.
But HONESTLY addressing it won't involve "Well, they have higher crime BECAUSE they are black".
But on the flip side, you ARE trying to pretend that the false issues you are raising are caused BECAUSE they are gay.


This has been proven false repeatedly.
And you keep avoiding the arguments, as you insist they are still true.


No. it isn't.
I understood what you said BD, even if Jefferson won't.

To spell it out for you, it would be the CRIME that would be wrong Jefferson.
NOT the homosexuality.


Okay. Just to put it all out on the table.
WHAT EXACTLY do you think is the CAUSE of the phenomenon we are talking about?

Oh wait! Is this where you start blaming democrats???

Sex is not the same as race.

And the FACT that you cannot deny is this: Homosexuals are the perpetrators of a disproportionately high number of violent sexual crimes - and serial killings.


Now... care to try to tell me that SEX has NOTHING TO DO with the FACT that homosexuals commit FAR MORE SEX CRIMES - PER CAPITA - THAN DO HETEROSEXUALS?

Absence of fathers.

As was stated previously, Paul Cameron's research is nothing more than a pile of random numbers, created to make homosexuals look bad. I have, in previous threads, provided a great deal of evidence discrediting Paul Cameron. If you still believe him to be a valid source of information, say so, and I will provide this evidence again.

But I agree with the premise that it doesn't matter how many gay people are doing these sorts of things. If you have a problem with murderers, then punish murderers. If you have a problem with people who are violent during sex, then punish people who are violent during sex. If you have a problem with people who spread STDs, then punish people who spread STDs.

But you choose to punish countless homosexuals who do none of those things. You deny equality under the law to countless people who have done nothing wrong.

What you've got here is just an excuse to hurt those people. It's a way of pretending that good homosexuals don't exist. But give it a rest. By denying gay marriage, you're treating good people worse than they deserve to be treated, and that's evil.

What you're doing is evil, and no amount of quoting statistics about murder will change that, because you're not punishing people who commit murder, you're punishing people who are gay. If there are some problems in society, then fix those problems: don't use them as an excuse to treat gay people worse than you treat yourself.

You already posted your opinion.

So you don't like the conclusions Cameron comes to. Big deal. Why not look at some of the objective facts (conclusions by others) he uses. For instance...

Why not try to explain away the FACT that homosexuals - per capita - commit FAR MORE sexual crimes than heterosexuals.

It's not a matter of 'not liking' the conclusions - it's the realization that he has been condemned by every major accredited medical association - has been thrown out of both the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association - and the American Sociological Association has had to put out public statements that he is a dishonest and uneithical researcher.

Now - what about other links to support your hypothesis that gays are more violent than straight people (pretty funny, since you are usually categorizing gays a effeminate LOL LOL LOL - big tough mean nasty sissies? LOL LOL LOL)

Facts speak louder than your Flaming.


Homosexuals have a MUCH HIGHER rate of criminal sexual violence - per capita - than do heterosexuals.

do you have any proof of that?

Domestic violence in the GLBT community is a serious issue. The rates of domestic violence in same-gender relationships is roughly the same as domestic violence against heterosexual women. As in opposite-gendered couples, the problem is likely underreported. Facing a system which is often oppressive and hostile towards those who identify as anything other than "straight", those involved in same-gender battering frequently report being afraid of revealing their sexual orientation or the nature of their relationship.

Additionally, even those who attempt to report violence in their alterative relationship run into obsticles. Police officers, prosecutors, judges and others to whom a GLBT victim may turn to for help may have difficulty in providing the same level of service as to a heterosexual victim. Not only might personal attitudes towards the GLBT community come into play, but these providers may have inadequate levels of experience and training to work with GLBT victims and flimsy or non-existant laws to enforce on behalf of the victim.

Although much advancement has been made in the provision of services, the enforcement of the law, and the equality of protections available to those in GLBT relationships over the last decade, it is important for you to be aware of your rights and options as they relate to your attempt to escape an abusive relationship.

Same Sex Domestic Violence - An Abuse, Rape and Domestic Violence Aid and Resource Collection