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Old 03-22-2007, 09:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Disproportionate Levels of Violence By Homosexuals
So homosexuals are the all-loving, all-caring, compassionate people of the world? WRONG

- 1%-2% of people are homosexuals, yet the top 6 serial killers in the United States have all been gay.

The list goes on and on and on.


By sheer numbers and percentages, homosexuals are more violent than heterosexuals, are 7 times more apt to kill each other during violent sex, and are multiplied times more apt to intentionally infect others with STDs and AIDS.

Violence and Homosexuality
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So... who will be the first in our newly christened Gay Chat Room (formerly known at Defending The Truth) to start screaming and yelling about this?
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Old 03-22-2007, 09:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm sure everybody knows - but just in case you don't - the statistics being quoted are from a study published by Paul Cameron quite a number of years ago. He was ridiculed for his research methods (i.e.he took statistics from a gay bathhouse in SanFrancisco and attributed his findings to the entire homosexual population), and errors (lies) in the statistics themselves. He was thrown out of the major accredited medical associations. He sued the American Psychological Association for slander (because they threw him out) and after the cases were presented, the judge told him that he was “a liar and a fraud” and dismissed the case as frivolous.
There is quite a lot of information 'out there' about Cameron - and the pain he has caused the gay community. Even though his studies, his research, his statistics have been rejected by every serious professional in the field - and every major accredited medical association in America - the Religious Reich Extremist Terrorists still dug up those numbers to vilify and dehumanize the gay community. Because no serious journal will publish his studies, he has even taken to publishing his own work so that he can 'quote' other studies as ‘proof’ - all of which are his own!
Read more at:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...s_cameron.html
(be sure to check out the links - they're a hoot. He showed 'the average expected lifespan of an american male homosexual' by using the obituaries in an AIDS pamphlet. LOL)

and a page with a quite a few interesting links about this repugnant discredited psychologist:
http://www.qrd.org/QRD/www/RRR/cameron.html

Most recently Paul Cameron appeared as an ‘expert witness’ for the anti-gay legislation hearings in VA.
“The most hostile attacks during an hourlong hearing were levied at Black's main witness - the author of a highly criticized study that purports to show that gays and lesbians are 34 percent more likely to molest their adopted children than are straight parents.
The author of that study, Paul Cameron, who bills himself as a sociologist, also told the committee that gays and lesbians are more likely to die younger, most around age 50, and that's not good for any children they adopt.
On questioning, Cameron admitted his life-span analysis was based on reading the obituary pages of the Washington Blade, a gay and lesbian newspaper, and that his molestation statistics had been dismissed by some sociologists as scientifically suspect, based on numerous errors.
He also admitted, under harsh questioning by Howell, that he was kicked out of the American Psychological Association on ethics charges in 1983, and that in 1986 the American Sociological Association passed a resolution denying that Cameron was a sociologist and condemning his "consistent misrepresentation of sociological research."
"We're suspicious," Saslaw told Cameron. "Some of this stuff we've never heard of before today and if it was true it would be on the front page of every newspaper in the country, even the (conservative) Washington Times."
"This is by a guy we suspect goes around the country trying to stop gay adoption. Mr. Cameron doesn't have a whole lot of credibility," Saslaw added.
A few minutes later, the measure was defeated on a voice vote, with most senators loudly voting against it.”
http://www.dailypress.com/news/local...ws-local-final
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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And Gay Liberal #1 - the ultimate troll - rushes to the defense.

Alas, you fall short!

Statistics themselves don't lie. People like you DO.
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Now Jefferson, let's not be confrontational... I don't see why you would want to pick a fight.

There's nothing to 'scream and yell' about with the stuff you posted. The research is simply NOT credible.

As for the third article you posted, it simply confirms what I've said before. Statistically, parents have to concern themselves more with married men that live in the area than with the gay couples in the area.
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Now Jefferson, let's not be confrontational... I don't see why you would want to pick a fight.

There's nothing to 'scream and yell' about with the stuff you posted. The research is simply NOT credible.

As for the third article you posted, it simply confirms what I've said before. Statistically, parents have to concern themselves more with married men that live in the area than with the gay couples in the area.


The research is not credible only because you and your gay friend Trista do not WANT it to be credible.

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Statistics themselves don't lie.
Don't be a silly boy - of course they do.

Mr. Cameron made ridiculous claims by distorting his "research" - as has been proven in courts of law.

Would you respect his "research" if he went to a Las Vegas whorehouse - and then attributed the sex lives of the women there to all women in America? Would it be safe to say that you would tend to be angry if he said your grandmother, mother, daughters and wife engaged in sexual acts with the number of men that Las Vegas prostitutes do?

Now, don't be silly. Learn. This is a man who was called a liar and a fraud, not only in a court of law, but on the floor of the VA legislation!
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Don't be a silly boy - of course they do.

Mr. Cameron made ridiculous claims by distorting his "research" - as has been proven in courts of law.

Would you respect his "research" if he went to a Las Vegas whorehouse - and then attributed the sex lives of the women there to all women in America? Would it be safe to say that you would tend to be angry if he said your grandmother, mother, daughters and wife engaged in sexual acts with the number of men that Las Vegas prostitutes do?

Now, don't be silly. Learn. This is a man who was called a liar and a fraud, not only in a court of law, but on the floor of the VA legislators!
Ahh yes, close your eyes, cover your ears and scream real loud!

Unfortunately, too many people can see right through your BS.

Attack Cameron all you want - but he's citing unbiased statistics.


Loser.
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He's "citing" his own studies! LOL LOL LOL LOL
He can't get published - so he publishes his own crap LOL LOL LOL

Loser?

Why are you calling names so early in the day. So far, you've written nasty and hateful messages on four different threads - called me several names - and been proven gullible (by your faith in - of all people! - Paul Cameron!).

Why do you insist on being so unpleasant, no matter what the issue?

Why do you take it out on everybody else if your life is a disaster?
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The research is not credible only because you and your gay friend Trista do not WANT it to be credible.

Incorrect.

The statisics are not credible because of the methodology. If stats aren't gathered the correct way, the resulting data is not reliable.

For example: If you were to go into a prison and collect data about how many men were having sex with other men, would this be an accurate relection of the percentage of American men that have sex with other men? Of course not.

Understand?
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Attack Cameron all you want - but he's citing unbiased statistics.
On questioning, Cameron admitted his life-span analysis was based on reading the obituary pages of the Washington Blade, a gay and lesbian newspaper, and that his molestation statistics had been dismissed by some sociologists as scientifically suspect, based on numerous errors.
He also admitted, under harsh questioning by Howell, that he was kicked out of the American Psychological Association on ethics charges in 1983, and that in 1986 the American Sociological Association passed a resolution denying that Cameron was a sociologist and condemning his "consistent misrepresentation of sociological research."
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