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Old 05-04-2007, 10:41 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Why do you persist in stating the blatantly false?
Is it because you are completely clueless?
Do you think lying somehow gains you something in the short term?

You are utterly and completely wrong. Florida adoption law prohibits ALL gays from adopting, whether they be single or a couple.
Florida is the only state in the nation with a complete ban on adoption by gays, whether married or single.
CNN.com - Florida adoption ban

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I stand corrected. THe Florida law is more complete and commendable than we had hoped




Again, I challenge you to show me a case where they are not identical.

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We have shown you several cases where laws require qualification which is not discriminatory, merely practical and realsitic. Such as banning blind people from having driving licences






Precisely the reason YOU want to use the term "qualification" and not "discrimination".
And quite frankly, if you see discrimination as "value-laden", that is your own problem. I don't care what connotations people see in the word.
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If you don't care, then why do you insist on using the emotive term "discrimination" instead of the objective "qualification"?

The reason is very simple - you have an unfailing tendency to use emotion and hysteria to replace your lack of logic and rationality.







I am talking about it in its most basic sense, devoid of any positive or negative attributes. YOU on the other hand keep fixating on the negative attributes and can't get past that...



If anybody needed proof of your absolute lunacy, then this quote is it...
More hysteria and emotion from you - see above
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Old 05-05-2007, 12:35 AM   #122 (permalink)
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I stand corrected. THe Florida law is more complete and commendable than we had hoped
You stand a cowardly liar.
You CLAIM that you support legislation against only BEHAVIOR, but then when it turns out that Florida law prohibits ALL gays, regardless of "behavior" from adopting, you applaud.

Obviously, your own claimed "position" cannot be trusted as true. You contradict it at every turn!


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Again, I challenge you to show me a case where they (discrimination and qualification) are not identical.
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We have shown you several cases where laws require qualification which is not discriminatory, merely practical and realsitic. Such as banning blind people from having driving licences
No. You have not done that because banning blind people from having driving licenses IS DISCRIMINATION.
It is JUSTIFIED discrimination.

discrimination:
the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

If we prevent blind people from driving, that IS discrimination. JUSTIFIED discrimination with a legitimate state interest.


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If you don't care, then why do you insist on using the emotive term "discrimination" instead of the objective "qualification"?
I said I don't care what connotations you see in the word.
That doesn't mean I don't care that the proper word is used if another word is going to avoid the entire subject altogether.


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The reason is very simple - you have an unfailing tendency to use emotion and hysteria to replace your lack of logic and rationality.
There you go again. Avoiding the ACTUAL subject instead of addressing it head on.
You want to use the word "qualification" because it ASSUMES that the discrimination is justified.
I have told you that I am comfortable using the word "qualification" as long as it is not used as an attempt to ignore the 14th amendment requirements.
Predictably, you avoided responding to that.
"(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish."
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Old 05-05-2007, 08:16 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Why, foundit, do you continue to feed him? Both of you have been posting the same posts for YEARS.... Give it up and agree to disagree..... ;o)
Old 05-05-2007, 05:58 PM   #124 (permalink)
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You stand a cowardly liar.
You CLAIM that you support legislation against only BEHAVIOR, but then when it turns out that Florida law prohibits ALL gays, regardless of "behavior" from adopting, you applaud.

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Being gay, or homosexual, IS a behaviour!

You are chasing your tail again




No. You have not done that because banning blind people from having driving licenses IS DISCRIMINATION.
It is JUSTIFIED discrimination.

discrimination:
the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently

If we prevent blind people from driving, that IS discrimination. JUSTIFIED discrimination with a legitimate state interest.

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Nope. It's just that blind people don't QUALIFY to drive. There is no discrimination involved



I said I don't care what connotations you see in the word.
That doesn't mean I don't care that the proper word is used if another word is going to avoid the entire subject altogether.

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You deliberately used an emotive, provocative word incorrectly (discrimination), and we caught you at it.

Learn to accept defeat gracefully, after all you get plenty of practice






I have told you that I am comfortable using the word "qualification" as long as it is not used as an attempt to ignore the 14th amendment requirements.
Predictably, you avoided responding to that.
We have dealt with and disposed of your 14th Amendment "argument" elsewhere
Old 05-05-2007, 07:34 PM   #125 (permalink)
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Being gay, or homosexual, IS a behaviour!
You are chasing your tail again
You're starting to flail even harder now...
If a gay man DOES NOT have gay sex, what is his "behavior"?
If a man has no sex at all, does that mean he is neither gay nor straight?

It's so easy to get back into areas where you start pretending up is down and black is white. Where you hold definitions and views that nobody else does.


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Nope. It's just that blind people don't QUALIFY to drive. There is no discrimination involved
And there you go again.
Blindly saying "nay", while giving absolutely no reason why.

Like I stated, I will call it "qualify" AS LONG AS you do NOT use that as an excuse to ignore the JUSTIFICATION for preventing gay marriage.
As it is, you just want to rename it so you can pretend it is justified without explaining why. Because you can't...


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You deliberately used an emotive, provocative word incorrectly (discrimination), and we caught you at it.
I just gave the definition of discrimination, and it fits completely.
The fact that YOU find it "emotive" and "provocative" is your own problem. Not mine.
I attach no such connotation to the word, as I repeatedly explain.


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We have dealt with and disposed of your 14th Amendment "argument" elsewhere
YOU, singular, have started to respond to the whole 14th amendment issue elsewhere.
But then you COMPLETELY DROPPED the subject when it is proven that the state's claims ARE ABSURD.

The state claims that preventing gay marriage will further procreation. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence to this claim. And at its root, it's just plain stupid. No heterosexual couple is going to say "Gays can marry? Well, I guess we won't have any kids then."

Other arguments like claiming that gays are inferior parents have also been proven false. ALL the research shows that children of gays are just as happy and healthy. There is NO research contradicting this.
So the question remains as to HOW a society built on "equality", and which proclaims "innocent until proven guilty", can deny equality under the ASSUMPTION (denying the existing evidence) that gays are inferior parents?
"(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish."
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:40 AM   #126 (permalink)
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Why, foundit, do you continue to feed him? Both of you have been posting the same posts for YEARS.... Give it up and agree to disagree..... ;o)
Or get a room.. whatever floats your boat.....
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