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Gay Marriage Debate and defend your political beliefs as to whether or not marriage should be only defined as a union between a man and a woman.

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Old 04-24-2007, 08:39 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Ditto. You're repeating your redundant arguments and refusing to answer our rebuttals, claiming it's "irrelevant" or continuing to repeat your worn out points. Do us all a favor and have some grace in defeat.
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Old 04-24-2007, 08:41 PM   #42 (permalink)
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He and I disagree on many points
Frankly, half the time (actually more often than that), I don't know if I agree or disagree ... I can't figure out what he's saying or what he means. Ditto with DetroitWilliam. They might have valid things to say, but, damn, for two men with masters degrees, they have some really poor communication skills.
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Frankly, half the time (actually more often than that), I don't know if I agree or disagree ... I can't figure out what he's saying or what he means. Ditto with DetroitWilliam. They might have valid things to say, but, damn, for two men with masters degrees, they have some really poor communication skills.
I've no comment on that.

I've seen those with advanced degrees that were excellent communicators and I've seen those that couldn't describe things if they were showing people pictures.

Such is the nature of scientific minds.
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Americans disapprove of a lot of rational, harmless things. As much as the will of the majority needs to be respected, you can't just base every single decision on their whim.


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You think that a belief in marriage being one man one woman is a "whim"???







I hate to say it, but the average layperson does not know government, economics, philosophy, law, etc. as well as the average political commentator.

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Are you saying we should let Hannitty and Holmes decide? Or maybe O'Reilly??



I'd mention Brown V. Board of Ed. or the Civil War, but you'd just bitch about me going off topic and try to make it seem irrelevant.
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You think that a belief in marriage being one man one woman is a "whim"???
Do you even bother reading the whole statement? I wasn't saying it's a "whim." I'm talking about the idea of taking all of your advice from common people. We are more educated and informed than our ancestors, but still have generally shallow views on the issues, easily corrupted by emotion, personal experience, etc. Public opinion is an excellent indicator of popularity (about 50% of the US population approves of gay marriage, and I'd imagine more are for civil unions) but it is not the deciding factor.

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You'd love that, but no. I mean take common peoples' opinions into account when making decisions on issues such as this. It's a good indicator, but it can be right or wrong. Keep in mind that Truman got very low poll ratings after he fired General MacArthur during the Korean War, simply because he didn't want a war with China. For his lack of anti-communist jingoism he suffered, but he still did the right thing.
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How can it be the same institution when a same sex couple is different from an opposite sex couple?
Why should they been seen different in the eyes of the law?

By your standard the law should look at inter-racial couples differently also...
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Why should they been seen different in the eyes of the law?

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Why should they be looked at as the same when a same sex couple is different from an opposite sex couple
By your standard the law should look at inter-racial couples differently also...
Do you mean a mixed-sex inter-racial couple or a same-sex inter-racial couple?

And why introduce race into the equation?
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Are you saying we should let Hannitty and Holmes decide? Or maybe O'Reilly??

You'd love that, but no.
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It was your suggestion ! Personally I prefer the idea of letting We The People decide






I mean take common peoples' opinions into account when making decisions on issues such as this. It's a good indicator, but it can be right or wrong.
So we let the people have their say, then after we've been through the formalities we let some special interest group make the final decision?

Have you really thought this through?
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Do you mean a mixed-sex inter-racial couple or a same-sex inter-racial couple?

And why introduce race into the equation?
How does it matter if the sexes are mixed in the eyes of the law?

How do you not see the clear parallels between race and sexuality here?
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How does it matter if the sexes are mixed in the eyes of the law?

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My point is that the law has no obligation to treat different groupings in the same way, just because they happen to be a couple, just as the law does not treat groups of more than two in the same way. Legal rights accrue to individuals.





How do you not see the clear parallels between race and sexuality here?
No, and I think it's misleading to draw the comparison.

Of course it was wrong to have laws preventing men and women of different races from marrying, but that was a peculiarity of the US's racist past. I don't know of any other countries that had laws mandating racial segregation apart from South Africa.
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