Defending the Truth

I sure don't see any parallels between race and sexuality. What's race got to do with this discussion?

I agree... there is no parallel between sexuality and race.

You don't see how the Black Civil Rights movement was nearly identical to the same civil right movement homosexuals are making today?

You can't see that "Separate but equal" did not work for blacks, and thus will not work for gays?

You can't see that segregation never works?

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It was your suggestion ! Personally I prefer the idea of letting We The People decide

Any mature, intelligent person will acknowledge that when it comes to many things, people should not always have that kind of power. Once again I have to hammer the idea that racism was the norm a century ago, but it did not make it right, and it certinly should not have been legitimized because that's what people believed. Back then, it was all about bad arguments and the simple presumption that non-whites were inferior. Same today with homosexuality. You can pose all the arguments you want, but you and I both know the sole reason for these beliefs is either gross misinformation or bigotry.

Even today, would you trust each military maneuver in Iraq to Americans who know little of the war, country, or even combat itelf? We leave that to generals because they do know, and when they tell us "This isn't working, you're refusal to compromise is hurting us," they should be listened to!!! I'm not saying all people are ignorant enough so that they're opinion doesn't matter, but I'd have to say, just judging from the idea that most Americans are so apathetic that they won't even vote for the person who runs the country, that we are a politically apathetic and ill-informed populace.

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So we let the people have their say, then after we've been through the formalities we let some special interest group make the final decision? Have you really thought this through?

Where the hell did I mention a goddamn special interest group?! All I said was that people are not always informed enough to make good decisions, not that a special interest group make the decision.You're putting words in my mouth, and I'm really starting to resent it.

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The expression "civil rights" is highly emotive - why do you think that the homosexual agenda is all about "civil rights"? You don't see that race is not a choice?

NEITHER IS SEXUAL ORIENTATION!!!!! I don't see how we can make this any clearer!!!




You can't see that "Separate but equal" did not work for blacks, and thus will not work for gays?

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I believe homosexuals deserve all the same rights as anyone else, but no special rights. If marriage to someone of the opposite sex isn't right for them, they aren't forced to marry. Plenty of heterosexual men and women make the same choice

Do I have to say this again?

Heterosexual marriage is available to everyone. Anyone can get married that way. However, not everybody can benefit from these unions and receive the fulfillment they provide. Still, they want that fulfillment, not just to be single. Thus, the system is unequal.

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And plenty of would-be polygamists are denied their preferred version of marriage - what about their "civil rights"?

To each his own. You still haven't proven any major cost in polygamy, and I highly doubt it would be very widespread if it was legalized, anyway. Most people only fall in love with one person at a time.

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There is no scientific evidence of a homosexual gene or gene defect.

Every reputable psychiatric organization and independent researcher has stated that not only is homosexuality not a choice, but there are no negative side effects from being gay.

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The choice to pursue a homosexual lifestyle is entirely voluntary for those who lack will-power and moral fortitude.

Is the heterosexual lifestyle any different? Isn't it our "lack of willpower" why we have such a high teen pregnancy and STD rate? Willpower is a matter of sexual urges, not sexual orientation.

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Just because it doesn't appeal to everyone doesn't mean it isn't equal

That's a horrible analogy. The right to own a gun is in and of itself a choice. Sexual orientation isn't.

Here's a good analogy: Suppose you don't want a gun. You can't shoot them, you don't like them, you don't want one. Still, you happen to be a fan of hunting, so you decide to buy a bow, which you are skilled with and know how to use safely and efficiently. You can't be refused on the basis that everybody has the right to own a gun and that you have equal opportunity to buy one, because hunting is hunting whether it's with a gun or bow. Both are legal and safe if used the right way, and both should be available to you under the Constitution.

If you have been paying attention, I don't want to deny rights to polygamists because I don't care if they want to marry multiple people. Not my issue. They should be able to do so if they wish. Once again, don't put words in my mouth.

You don't even recognize what "civil rights" means in the first place.
Gay rights issues ARE civil rights issues.
Look up the meaning of the term please. It'll help if you actually LEARN something about what you're talking about.


Irrelevant.
There is nothing in the definition of "civil rights" which states it only applies for "non-choice" characteristics.


This is Orwellian double-speak.
Does Garysher support the right of gays to adopt? No. That's a "special right".

What "special rights" are gays asking for?
Never mind. We both know you can't answer that question without getting exposed as not believing gay "same rights".


That's like saying that if our laws only allowed the Christian religion, then "Jews" would have the "same rights" to worship Christianity as the Christians do.
Or that they have the same right to not worship.

Pretending that ONLY heterosexual marriage is "equal" for both heterosexuals and homosexuals is unbelievably obtuse.


Yet you advocate it for gays and marriage.
Another glaring contradiction.