Defending the Truth
Articles | Interviews | Politicians | Groups | Arcade | Experience | Donate
  Defending the Truth > Debate Politics > Global Politics
Jerry Falwell Dies

Global Politics Debate US and International politics here.

Reply
Page 6 of 17 < 12345 6 7891011121314151617 >
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-16-2007, 03:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
Account Deleted
Join Date: Dec 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,738
Country:
Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Level up: 55%, 225 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
OhDear is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garysher View Post
You would have to ask Jesus Christ. He is the one who defines marriage in Matt 19

And you know full well what traditional marriage has meant in western culture for centuries

You may not agree with that definition but please don't pretend it doesn't exist!
If you are talking like the Waltons. I love what they had. I aspire to know love like that. Whether I submit my love to the dotted line of some governmental issued piece of paper ever again, I cannot say.
But you know what, in strictly traditional Christian marriage, the Waltons would have been "unequally yoked" for how Big John was agnostic and Olivia was the more fundamental Christian.

OD
Sponsored Links
Old 05-16-2007, 03:08 PM   #52 (permalink)
Account Deleted
Join Date: Dec 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,738
Country:
Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Level up: 55%, 225 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
OhDear is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garysher View Post
Don't worry about it - if I'd posted it then tad would have banned me for using a "religious slur"!

But that's because he doesnt like me

You, however, get a free ride because you're a girlie
Blarney! I will gladly edit my post, but truly I do not know what I said that was in any way a religious slur. Please do point it out. I want to grow and learn and change.

As to me being a girlie, I am. But that does not enter into it, Gary. I can take it like a man, when the going gets rough.

OD
Old 05-16-2007, 03:10 PM   #53 (permalink)
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,893
Country:
Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
garysher is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post
If you are talking like the Waltons. I love what they had. I aspire to know love like that. Whether I submit my love to the dotted line of some governmental issued piece of paper ever again, I cannot say.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You sound a bit bitter OD!

If a marriage fails it's not the fault of the institution of marriage. It means two people made the wrong decision or didn't have the fortitude to make it work


 But you know what, in strictly traditional Christian marriage, the Waltons would have been "unequally yoked" for how Big John was agnostic and Olivia was the more fundamental Christian.

OD
I think it's better to use the Bible as the foundation of your beliefs and not some cheesy TV show!
Old 05-16-2007, 03:14 PM   #54 (permalink)
Account Deleted
Join Date: Dec 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,738
Country:
Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Level up: 55%, 225 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
OhDear is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Gary, you said this:
Quote:
You sound a bit bitter OD!
Quote:
Now that is funny. I am not bitter at all. I just don't know what making love legal does for it. I am not saying I would not. But if I fall in love with a man who did not want to turn our relationship over to the government to register it as a marriage, I would not necessarily think I ought to say goodbye to that man.

Biblical marriage was not kept by the government either, was it?

It is not bitterness that gives me to consider options, but quite the opposite.

OD

P.S. I love The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie. Nothing "cheesy" there. That was not nice to say Gary.
Old 05-16-2007, 03:17 PM   #55 (permalink)
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,893
Country:
Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
garysher is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post
Gary, you said this:

Now that is funny. I am not bitter at all. I just don't know what making love legal does for it. I am not saying I would not. But if I fall in love with a man who did not want to turn our relationship over to the government to register it as a marriage, I would not necessarily think I ought to say goodbye to that man.

Biblical marriage was not kept by the government either, was it?

It is not bitterness that gives me to consider options, but quite the opposite.

OD
It doesn't sound like that

Why do you describe marriage as "making love legal"?

Marriage is all about you and your partner, the government is just on the sidelines making sure you both meet the criteria.

Bit like getting your driving licence from the DMV
Old 05-16-2007, 03:19 PM   #56 (permalink)
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,893
Country:
Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
garysher is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post

P.S. I love The Waltons and Little House on the Prairie. Nothing "cheesy" there. That was not nice to say Gary.
OK I'll go from cheesy to "chewing gum for the eyes"

I still don't think any TV show should be made into your Guide to Life (with the possible exception of The Simpsons)
Old 05-16-2007, 03:23 PM   #57 (permalink)
Block Captain
 
sear's Avatar
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Adirondack Park, NY
Gender: Male
Posts: 448
Points: 3,188, Level: 34
Points: 3,188, Level: 34 Points: 3,188, Level: 34 Points: 3,188, Level: 34
Level up: 92%, 12 Points needed
Level up: 92% Level up: 92% Level up: 92%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
sear is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
"But if we try to keep church and state separate then should we also try to keep atheism and state separate? Or any other strongly held belief?" gary
I'm not sure that takes much effort.
It might be akin to the effort necessary to keep gravity working.


"The wall of separation between Church & State" is a metaphor gary.

It means we should not mingle governance; prevent it from becoming theocratic.
If you're asking me if I think that should include atheism; I think yes.

I think governance must remain agnostic.
Quote:
"Or any other strongly held belief?" gary
I strongly believe the right of Liberty should neither be infringed, or usurped.
I don't think U.S. government should eschew that principle.
I think we must embrace it.
It is, in fact, a Founding principle of the United States of America.

According to each of the signatories of the U.S. Declaration of Independence Liberty is a Creator endowed, unalienable right.

Let neither my People, nor my government ever forsake that notion!
"Work is the curse of the drinking classes." Oscar Wilde
Old 05-16-2007, 03:30 PM   #58 (permalink)
Account Deleted
Join Date: Dec 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,738
Country:
Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Level up: 55%, 225 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
OhDear is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garysher View Post
It doesn't sound like that

Why do you describe marriage as "making love legal"?

Marriage is all about you and your partner, the government is just on the sidelines making sure you both meet the criteria.

Bit like getting your driving licence from the DMV
Bzzz, wrong answer, Gary! LOL It isn't bitterness to see that the government cannot enhance love. And you only want to paint me as bitter, and you know what, all of my ex husbands would disagree with you.

OD
Old 05-16-2007, 03:36 PM   #59 (permalink)
Head of Security
Moderator
 
tadpole256's Avatar
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The Cradle of Liberty
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,486
Country:
Points: 55,597, Level: 100
Points: 55,597, Level: 100 Points: 55,597, Level: 100 Points: 55,597, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 36%
Activity: 36% Activity: 36% Activity: 36%
Send a message via AIM to tadpole256 Send a message via Yahoo to tadpole256 Send a message via Skype™ to tadpole256
tadpole256 is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos View Post
Exactly right.

I detested the man while he was alive. Why would that change because he is dead?

Truthfully, the kind loving side of me hopes that, if there is an afterlife, he finds forgiveness.

But the kind loving side of me wishes that for Sadam Hussein, Ted Bundy, & Zacarias Moussaoui too.

The less forgiving side of me hopes that they all burn in Hell together.
Beautifully put...
Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand.

http://www.armysailor.com
http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog
------------------------------------
Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere
Quixotic Journey
Old 05-16-2007, 03:37 PM   #60 (permalink)
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Los Angeles
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,893
Country:
Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100 Points: 39,710, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 100%
Activity: 100% Activity: 100% Activity: 100%
garysher is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sear View Post
It means we should not mingle governance; prevent it from becoming theocratic.
If you're asking me if I think that should include atheism; I think yes.

>>>>>>>>>>>

There is a huge difference between having religious people influence government and creating a theocracy!



I strongly believe the right of Liberty should neither be infringed, or usurped.
I don't think U.S. government should eschew that principle.
I think we must embrace it.
It is, in fact, a Founding principle of the United States of America.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My point is if you ONLY separate Church and State, then by default you give an advantage to any other NON-religious interest group, such as pro-abortionists or homosexuals.

They don't have to deal with the same restrictions when dealing with the government




According to each of the signatories of the U.S. Declaration of Independence Liberty is a Creator endowed, unalienable right.

Let neither my People, nor my government ever forsake that notion!
How do atheists and agnostics deal with the notion that certain rights are "Creator endowed"?
Reply
Page 6 of 17 < 12345 6 7891011121314151617 >

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:37 AM.

Defending the Truth - FAQ - Rules - Contact Us - Donate - Archive - Top

 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites 

Recommended Sites