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Old 06-22-2007, 11:54 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I must admit that I was greatly impressed with everything Kucinich had to say during the debates. He doesn't seem to have enough charisma to take his ideas all the way however.

Too bad our current system really boils down to a popularity contest because of the two party strangle hold.

Kucinich ain't a dem! But he could be the future.
Well the problem stems from the misconception that the Democratic Party is primarily a liberal party. When in actuality it is a centrist party. I mean, within the party, candidates generally range from left of center to right of center. Rarely do you find true liberals and leftists.

Likewise, although the Republican Party used to be a primarily conservative party; it has become a party of statist and sometimes fascist orientation, at least in practice. The transformation into such a display became to be with the transition of party power from the Goldwater conservatives to the Christian right, generally speaking. The result is a party that plays off of the conservative tendencies of their constituents in their rhetoric, but in practice they are quite opposite to their promises. Even in many ways, the so-called "Goldwater conservative" politicians such as Reagan did the same thing; preached about small government but once he took the reigns did nothing to decrease the size of the government or overthrow the so-called "welfare state" established by FDR, and raised taxes and increased the military, etc. And now, in the 2008 Republican Presidential candidates, we have one of the last vestiges of the Republican party's former conservatism: and that is Ron Paul. He's the only candidate in the Republican Party that actually wants to work at rolling back the size and role of the government (from abolishing completely income taxes, abolishing the IRS, to abolishing the majority of government expenditures, and returning to the old Republican ideology of isolationism).

To sum it up, I would love to see a 2008 Presidential election be Kucinich vs. Ron Paul. It would be the only truly liberal v. conservative outcome.
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To sum it up, I would love to see a 2008 Presidential election be Kucinich vs. Ron Paul. It would be the only truly liberal v. conservative outcome.

Great post. I think that seeing Kucinich vs. Paul in the end would be the absolute BEST thing for this country and would take the parties back to their roots.

I'm also convinced the powers that be would never let that happen.
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I would say Rep's on the sole position of Mitt Romney right now...He holds a great lead in Iowa and NH right now and they are said to be the key states in the election this year. Mitt will win the canadacy on the Rep side and go all the way to the White House.
I think the real person who will carry the elections is those who carry the South. The religious right connection with Iowa is fading fast. With few jobs and fewer farms, the disillusionment with the republicans is gaining momentum, not that the democrats have exactly caught and won the hearts of others. But republicans fair less on polls than democrats so far.

Hevusa...I think it's just habit, tradition, and the fact the democrats have made it all but impossible for any party to get on a national referendum...

I think we need to talk up more than a two party system...any ideas who you are for at this time? I have always adored Ralph Nader and his solutions...
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Now that the televised debates have occurred for both sides who do you think has a stronger group of candidates???

The reps or the dems???

And why the hell do the American citizens think a 2 party system is fair?
The problem I have is figureing out why any sane person would ever vote for a Republican again. The two party issue has zero effect on my statement. We can have 100 parties, I don't care. I repeat what I cannot figure out is why any sane person would vote Republican. I would love for anybody to help answer this question.
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The problem I have is figureing out why any sane person would ever vote for a Republican again. The two party issue has zero effect on my statement. We can have 100 parties, I don't care. I repeat what I cannot figure out is why any sane person would vote Republican. I would love for anybody to help answer this question.
I have a hard time understanding this as well. If the actions of the Bush administration aren't enough to discourage support what the hell would be?

Has Bush acted like a republican should? We have a LARGER government, no lower taxes, and record spending. At least with a democrat we might have avoided the unnecessary war.
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Maybe we're forgetting this is not about parties anymore....if it ever were...but about interests of the wealthy. The interests of a section of the wealthy, with strong political connections over the last 30 or so years, is for a New World Order. Revamping the world into "Unions" (European Union, African Union and the ever feared "North American Union"),and allowing a one economic, one police world to prevail. Leaders of Unions to answer to leaders of the world...WOrld Bank, World Trade Organization..etc.
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Maybe we're forgetting this is not about parties anymore....if it ever were...but about interests of the wealthy. The interests of a section of the wealthy, with strong political connections over the last 30 or so years, is for a New World Order. Revamping the world into "Unions" (European Union, African Union and the ever feared "North American Union"),and allowing a one economic, one police world to prevail. Leaders of Unions to answer to leaders of the world...WOrld Bank, World Trade Organization..etc.

Agreed... but as I agree I only see bloodshed in the future as the working class fight back (French revolution esque). You can't keep THAT many people down.... can you?

To prevent bloodshed in America I suggest we allow more than 2 parties into the mix. But it might take a revolution to get even THAT far. :-\
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