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Old 07-17-2007, 02:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Why not? Isn't a true Democracy about the rule of the majority? Thank goodness we do not live in a true Democracy!!
You obviously have alot to learn about what a democracy is.
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Although I am unsure what you mean by the phrase "functional democracy," the US government surely works as a democratic republic in the sense that the people vote for representatives who, in turn, forge policies.

Would you mind stating why you think the US doesn't have a "functioning democracy"...keeping in mind the fact that the US government, by design, is a democratic republic?
When one posits a "functional democracy", one would presuppose this system promotes change by the people. In other words, a "functional democracy" where as a "democracy" - being a system of government where all power is reserved to the people - is "functional" - being that the people can and do healthily exercise this power in order to promote change.

The United States does not have a functional democracy but a functional plutocracy. Power is not retained in the hands of the people but in the hands of the ruling elite. Likewise, true democratic sentiments are squashed in a two party system primarily dominated by plutocrats, which inevitably, although differ in some minute way, offer no real opportunity toward any kind of relevant change. Likewise, a healthy democracy can only flourish with a well-educated populace. The voting population of the United States doesn't even reach a majority of all citizens; therefore even if one were to suggest our voting powers as evidence of democracy, you're still looking at the rule of a minority 'elite'.. And when one 'votes' for a different government, there really is no substantial change in how the United States government operates (I cited the Johnson v. Goldwater election as just a small example).
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Old 07-17-2007, 02:20 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'd say that the biggest blunder that the Bush Administration made regarding Iraq wasn't the invasion of Iraq itself.

I'd say that the biggest blunder that the Bush Administration made regarding Iraq was, rather, in overestimating the desire and ability for the bulk of ordinary Iraqi citizens to establish a democracy that is effectively controlled by the rule of law.

I guess you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...
Hard to see that they really thought that far ahead.
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