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Old 08-12-2007, 12:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Wow. That sounds like you are a pedophile just hanging on to your urges. You might want to seek some counsil.

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Old 08-12-2007, 03:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Homosexual people who don't have the self discipline to keep them from going against human physiology, procreation, and "normal" internal morals, have same gender sex.
So gay people lack the discipline to be straight?

You have previously agreed with me that homosexuality is not a choice... why the backtrack now?

Were you just looking for another way to try (and fail) to compare gay people to animal abusers and child molestors?
Old 08-12-2007, 03:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Wow. That sounds like you are a pedophile just hanging on to your urges. You might want to seek some counsil.
Actually, you might need to brush up on your terminology there, pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children. The correct term for what you are purporting that I have is ephebophile.
ephebophile: Information from Answers.com
I specifically said a "well developed" 13 or 14 year old.
As far as counseling, that's not necessary. Besides, what good will that do? Counseling doesn't cure homosexuality, what makes you think counseling will change MY purported "orientation"?
Old 08-12-2007, 04:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
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So gay people lack the discipline to be straight?
...even with all the handcuffs and leather?
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Actually, you might need to brush up on your terminology there, pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children. The correct term for what you are purporting that I have is ephebophile.
ephebophile: Information from Answers.com
I specifically said a "well developed" 13 or 14 year old.
As far as counseling, that's not necessary. Besides, what good will that do? Counseling doesn't cure homosexuality, what makes you think counseling will change MY purported "orientation"?
From webster's:
pedophilia
"sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object"

A 13 or 14 year old is clearly not an adult. They are a CHILD.
When I see a 14 year old girl walking down the street I don't need "self discipline" to prevent ANYTHING from happening. You need help. But hey, the first step is admitting such a thing.
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Old 08-12-2007, 05:59 PM   #16 (permalink)
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From webster's:
pedophilia
"sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object"

A 13 or 14 year old is clearly not an adult. They are a CHILD.
When I see a 14 year old girl walking down the street I don't need "self discipline" to prevent ANYTHING from happening. You need help. But hey, the first step is admitting such a thing.
But if homosexuality is not a choice, then presumably paedophilia or ephebophilia aren't choices either.

Interesting how some people like to be selective about which deviances they support and which they abhor.
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Old 08-12-2007, 06:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
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From webster's:
pedophilia
"sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object"

A 13 or 14 year old is clearly not an adult. They are a CHILD.
When I see a 14 year old girl walking down the street I don't need "self discipline" to prevent ANYTHING from happening. You need help. But hey, the first step is admitting such a thing.
Actually, hevusa, a pedophile is usually NOT interested in 13 or 14 year olds - pedophiles are attracted by the prepubescent child (which is why they often don't care if the victim is male or female). Once the child reaches puberty, the pedophile is no longer attracted.
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But if homosexuality is not a choice, then presumably paedophilia or ephebophilia aren't choices either.

Interesting how some people like to be selective about which deviances they support and which they abhor.
Pedophilia does not involve two consenting adults.
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Old 08-12-2007, 07:21 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Actually, hevusa, a pedophile is usually NOT interested in 13 or 14 year olds - pedophiles are attracted by the prepubescent child (which is why they often don't care if the victim is male or female). Once the child reaches puberty, the pedophile is no longer attracted.
If an adult is attracted to 14 year olds there is a big problem there! But I see your point.
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:19 AM   #20 (permalink)
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If an adult is attracted to 14 year olds there is a big problem there! But I see your point.
What about Germany and other European countries were 14 year olds are considered "adults"?
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