Defending the Truth

Katczinsky · 02-11-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Finesse

yea definately, Communism was a driving force in the 20th century, and I think the faults of the communist system should be brought to the fore front though, and maybe the schools should focus more Marxism. As Marxism is atleast understnadable to today's standards, and was good in theory, but yet a little too much extreme, as communism warped the ideas of Marxism too much, and was way too extreme. Personally I am all for the new age of Socialism within countries, and believe that some, but not all, Marxist ideas can be put towards socialism in today's world, as we need a stronger Proletariat class in our world, a working class that will stand up for them and not get robbed of it's livlihood, as the Proletariat class needs more government programs looking out for them, and governments need to lend more of a supporting hand, which is a big idea of Marxism/Socialism that needs to be taught in today's society.

I couldn't agree more. I bet that's an issue in Canada, but at the same time its a significantly larger issue in the United States.

Dylan · 02-11-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

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Originally Posted by Finesse

yea definately, Communism was a driving force in the 20th century, and I think the faults of the communist system should be brought to the fore front though, and maybe the schools should focus more Marxism. As Marxism is atleast understnadable to today's standards, and was good in theory, but yet a little too much extreme, as communism warped the ideas of Marxism too much, and was way too extreme. Personally I am all for the new age of Socialism within countries, and believe that some, but not all, Marxist ideas can be put towards socialism in today's world, as we need a stronger Proletariat class in our world, a working class that will stand up for them and not get robbed of it's livlihood, as the Proletariat class needs more government programs looking out for them, and governments need to lend more of a supporting hand, which is a big idea of Marxism/Socialism that needs to be taught in today's society.

I couldn't agree more. I bet that's an issue in Canada, but at the same time its a significantly larger issue in the United States.

It's a huge issue in the Phillipines, where communist guerillas are still at war with the government and muslim geurillas.

RudeBoy · 02-16-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaxian

It is my opinion that people need a better education on politics overall. This includes not only Communism and the theory behind it, but capitalism, representative democracy, and our own Constitution.

This is a very sobering critique of the USSR regarding the essential question with regard to whether revolution of 1917 only succeeded in substituting one class with a state (capitalist) class. The critiques are many including within Trotsky-Leninism and from without via the various leftist opposition and communist parties and councils. It also critiques capitalism with regard to how it compares and differs with that of state capitalism as expressed in the USSR (which wasn't communism).

This is a very informative and comprehensive read. Requires Adobe Acrobat Reader.

What Was the USSR?
Towards a Theory of the Deformation of Value

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It's a very comprehensive essay and critique of the USSR. It criticizes Trotsky's view on the USSR being a degenerated workers' state and goes further in calling it a state capitalist enterprise. From there forth, it brings in the other theories and critiques.

I have just listened to part one of Michael Harrington's lecture regarding the political definitions of Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism. I must say it's a very interesting lecture and having read the above essay, it tends to revalidate the beaurocratic tendencies of the Soviet Union and the fact they were not only not democratic (nothing new) but what went wrong and how this might be resolved.

Here's the link to the two part lecture (audio):

http://www.library.ucsb.edu/speccoll/csdi/a7784.html

RudeBoy · 02-16-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZX3

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

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Originally Posted by Jaxian

It is my opinion that people need a better education on politics overall. This includes not only Communism and the theory behind it, but capitalism, representative democracy, and our own Constitution.

I agree. Teach them the benifits and harms of not just one side, but all sides and let people think for themselves or once! Its always easier to point out the faults of others. Once we the American people know and acknowlege the faults of our own system will we be a better nation.

Thus is why dissent is so imperative to preserving Democracy.

Would you then support the teaching of the benefits and harms of National Socialism as well?

Sure, why not? Of course, National Socialism, i.e. fascism is just as important to teach. Free thought and free expression is not limited to only teaching what you want people to learn, but to have them learn all perspectives and come to their own informed decision.

Besides, I think after teaching all of the aspects of National Socialism, many people would conclude that it isn't the best form of government.

RudeBoy · 02-16-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Finesse

yea definately, Communism was a driving force in the 20th century, and I think the faults of the communist system should be brought to the fore front though, and maybe the schools should focus more Marxism. As Marxism is atleast understnadable to today's standards, and was good in theory, but yet a little too much extreme, as communism warped the ideas of Marxism too much, and was way too extreme. Personally I am all for the new age of Socialism within countries, and believe that some, but not all, Marxist ideas can be put towards socialism in today's world, as we need a stronger Proletariat class in our world, a working class that will stand up for them and not get robbed of it's livlihood, as the Proletariat class needs more government programs looking out for them, and governments need to lend more of a supporting hand, which is a big idea of Marxism/Socialism that needs to be taught in today's society.

Communism didn't warp the ideas of Marx. Marx believed in communism, as do I (anarcho-socialism). It was those that would usurp the power of the proleteriat that basterdized the term to what we think of as communism today.

RudeBoy · 02-16-2006, 08:31 PM

I'll defer those who are interested to this thread.

lkk1209 · 04-01-2006, 10:32 PM

It is not only the theory of communism, but also why they have done especially in China, North Korea, kambodia, and vietnan.
It is not only false theory or false policy, but a political structure that elude the most dark side of human being. To know only the theory of communism is far beyong enough.

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