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| Citizen ![]() Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 73
| The Hamas victory is not the catastrophe it is made out to. The Hamas support in the vote is based upon rejection of the corruption and incompetence, as well as split voting (Hamas and Fatah were not the only two parties running). | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Where it should be condemned, it should be condemned on all sides. When a Hamas suicide bomber blows up innocent Israelis eating pizza, that should be thoroughly and unequivocally condemned. Just as when the IDF drops a bomb on an apartment full of innocent Palestinians - that should be condemned. It should be remember that it is a moral and legal right for the Palestinians to resist occupation. How they choose to resist is of much import. I have read countless stories where they have resisted peacefully or have had civil disobedience only to be brutally crushed. We never see these in the Western Media. When the militants use the most fearful weapon at their disposal - the suicide bomb - only then do we see it pasted all over the airwaves. It's egregious the disproportionate amount of coverage the Israelis and Palestinians get. It is important to remember that there are Israelis and Palestinians working to create a better life for themselves and their neighbors. That both sides have their monsters but yet, both sides have many more that are interested in living in peace and prosperity. It's easy to demonize (it's easier to kill those that are demonized). It's harder to understand and to bridge conflicts but it must be done. List of Peace organizations from both sides (links at source link): Adalah non-profit, non-sectarian legal center Adam Institute The Adam Institute for Democracy and Peace in Memory of Emil Greenzweig Adam, Teva Vadin: Israel Union for Environmental Defense Addamir Addamir Prisoner Support Center A Different Future Adva The Adva Center AIC Alternative Information Center Al-Liqa Center for Religious and Heritage Studies in the Holy Land Amnesty International Israel Section Association for Civil Rights in Israel Bat Shalom Israeli-Palestinian Womens' Group Bereaved Families Circle Israeli and Palestinian families who lost loved ones in war and terror Brit Tzedek v'Shalom, the Jewish Alliance for Justice B'Tselem Israeli human rights group focused on civil rights for Palestinians Bustan L'Shalom Christian Peacemaker Team In Hebron Coalition of Women for a Just Peace Compassionate Listening Project DCI Defense for Children International Democracy and Workers Rights Center Dukium -- Negev Coexistence Forum Friends of the Earth Middle East Friendship Village Gaza Community Mental Health Program Givat Haviva Jewish-Arab education center Gush Shalom The Israeli Peace Bloc HaMoked Center for the Defense of the Individual International Forum for Justice and Peace in Palestine Israel Religious Action Center For Human Equality, Social Justice, Religious Tolerance Israel Womens Network Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions Israeli Council for Israeli-Palestinian Peace Israel-Palestine Center for Research and Information (IPCRI) Ittijah Union of Arab Community Based Associations Jewish Peace Fellowship Jewish Voice for Peace Kav La'Oved - Worker's Hotline for the Protection of Worker's Rights Kav Yarok THE GREEN LINE - STUDENTS DRAW THE LINE Kol HaIsha - Women's Center LAW -- The Palestinian Society for the Protection of Human Rights and the Environment MadreInternational Women's Human Rights Organization Mandela Institute for Prisoners Megido Peace Project Meretz USA Middle East Region Professional Training Program Middle Way The Mossawa Center Movement of Democratic Women in Israel Negev Institute for Strategies of Peace and Development Neve Shalom - Wahat al Salam New Family Nisan Young Women Leaders Not in My Name Open House Palestine Human Rights Information Center Palestinian Center for Human Rights Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group (Bassam Eid) Palestinian Independent Commission for Citizens' Rights Palestine-Israel Journal Peacequest -- European Palestine Israel Centre PeaceWatch Physicians for Human Rights-Israel Progressive Jewish Alliance Public Committee Against Torture in Israel Rabbis for Human Rights Seeds of Peace Seeking Peace, Pursuing Justice (Reform Judaism for Social Justice and Peace) Sikkuy The Association for the Advancement of Equal Opportunity Social Development Committee of Haifa Society for the Protection of Personal Rights for Lesbians, Gay Men and Bisexuals in Israel Society of St. Yves Legal suport organization Ta'ayush Arab Jewish partnership Teena - The Cultural and Educational Society The Interfaith Encounter Association The Abraham Fund The Arab Association for Human Rights (HRA) The Center for Jewish-Arab Economic Development The People's Voice (Nusseibeh-Ayalon) Windows -Channels For Communication Women in Black Women's Organization for Political Prisoners Source Link (Links to above organizations) \"If the left is understood to include \'Bolshevism,\' then I would flatly dissociate myself from the left. Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of socialism, in my opinion, for reasons I\'ve discussed.\" - Noam Chomsky http://defendingthetruth.com/images/rudeboy.jpg | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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People like Marwan Barghouti (now in an Israeli jail) and Edward Said (who died here in the US due to a lost battle with cancer). \"If the left is understood to include \'Bolshevism,\' then I would flatly dissociate myself from the left. Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of socialism, in my opinion, for reasons I\'ve discussed.\" - Noam Chomsky http://defendingthetruth.com/images/rudeboy.jpg | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Your other point. Israel exists and will continue to exist no matter the rhetoric displayed by Hamas hawks. The only difference is, the Palestinians continue to see their land taken every day - in essence the are being destroyed - while Israel never will be. You may wish to remember the truce that Hamas has still held even while their leader, Sheik Ahmed Yasin was extra-judiciously assassinated. He was a political leader (a blind man in a wheelchair). Was he a nice fellow? I bet not, but what purpose does it serve to kill a blind man in a wheelchair who happens to be the political leader of Hamas - not even the military leader (Hamas has two arms and they don't always work in tandem). It was a military and political mistake. Nonetheless, Hamas has held to a truce - and they have even declared that they would except two states only under condition - something Fatah never did - that the Israelis return to 1967 borders and remove all infrastructure of occupation. Now they didn't state outright peace, but they did declare a "hudna" (truce) for ten years. Once that ten year time frame would end, negotiations would be held for another truce. Meantime negotiations could have been implemented the whole time for a two state solution based on UNSCR 242. However, Iseael chose to assassinate a blind cripple. Sometimes peace is just out of reach. Hamas is still amenable to a truce predicated on Israel's return to 1967 lines (which I would assume means the removal of the apartheid wall). \"If the left is understood to include \'Bolshevism,\' then I would flatly dissociate myself from the left. Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of socialism, in my opinion, for reasons I\'ve discussed.\" - Noam Chomsky http://defendingthetruth.com/images/rudeboy.jpg | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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\"If the left is understood to include \'Bolshevism,\' then I would flatly dissociate myself from the left. Lenin was one of the greatest enemies of socialism, in my opinion, for reasons I\'ve discussed.\" - Noam Chomsky http://defendingthetruth.com/images/rudeboy.jpg | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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