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Old 01-27-2006, 11:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hamas wins Palestinian election
see Democracy is possible in the middle east, I guess you have to be carefull what you wish for.....

Hamas win sets precedent for Arab democracy

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"It is truly the first peaceful change of power of such fundamental proportions in our Arab history," columnist Joseph Samaha wrote in Lebanon's as-Safir newspaper. "We will live with this decisive milestone for years to come."
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U.S. President George W. Bush has urged the Arab world to embrace democracy, even though free elections might well empower Islamists fiercely opposed to Washington's policies in the region, including its support for pro-Western Arab governments.
The it could get ugly
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Hamas, popular for its fight against Israel, as well as its charity work and its clean image compared to Fatah, must now decide whether to moderate its stance once it is in power.

Israel, the United States and the European Union classify it as a terrorist organization. The West says it must disarm and recognize Israel if it wants to avoid international isolation.
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Old 01-27-2006, 02:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You are right I think ugly might be an understatement.
Watch the Administratiion start gearing the negative Hamas, and the big threat to Israel stories, to prepare the American public for our invasion!!!
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Re: Hamas wins Palestinian election
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see Democracy is possible in the middle east, I guess you have to be carefull what you wish for.....

Hamas win sets precedent for Arab democracy

The Good
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"It is truly the first peaceful change of power of such fundamental proportions in our Arab history," columnist Joseph Samaha wrote in Lebanon's as-Safir newspaper. "We will live with this decisive milestone for years to come."
The bad
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U.S. President George W. Bush has urged the Arab world to embrace democracy, even though free elections might well empower Islamists fiercely opposed to Washington's policies in the region, including its support for pro-Western Arab governments.
The it could get ugly
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Hamas, popular for its fight against Israel, as well as its charity work and its clean image compared to Fatah, must now decide whether to moderate its stance once it is in power.

Israel, the United States and the European Union classify it as a terrorist organization. The West says it must disarm and recognize Israel if it wants to avoid international isolation.
I am not that sure how accurate of a depiction the interviews with Palestinian people that I heard on NPR were, but the women and students sounded a bit afraid that Hamas leadership would curb their liberties, such as freedom of movement and censorship, including music. While they did support the charitable nature of Hamas, they were reluctant to support them because of their strict nature. So, I am unsure of the fairness of this election. As I was listening to the news as I was driving, I am unable to offer quotes.
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Old 01-28-2006, 02:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Independent stateless terrorist organizations are created by state terrorism against populations of people.
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I have always found it hypocritical that Israel and the US insist that Hamas renounce violence, as if the US and Israel was any better than Hamas (really, the US and Israel is worse than Hamas), I think the US and Israel need to renounce violence first, then and only then, does the US and Israel have the right to tell Hamas to renounce violence, until then, why should Hamas or anybody else take Israel and the US seriously? I don't take the US and Israel very seriously and we all know the long history of the US and Israel both of using unprovoked violence and breaking their signed treaties.
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I think this is a direct result of the Bush war and there is more bad news to follow. You can not stabilize and bring peace to a region with force & violence.


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US supports Fatah. Palestinians look to US and see government on the take. They don't want government on the take, so they vote for Hamas.
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I have always found it hypocritical that Israel and the US insist that Hamas renounce violence, as if the US and Israel was any better than Hamas (really, the US and Israel is worse than Hamas), I think the US and Israel need to renounce violence first, then and only then, does the US and Israel have the right to tell Hamas to renounce violence, until then, why should Hamas or anybody else take Israel and the US seriously? I don't take the US and Israel very seriously and we all know the long history of the US and Israel both of using unprovoked violence and breaking their signed treaties.
It is true that the US and Israel are hypocritical, but the point is that Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel (it's in their founding charter) and does not even recognize Israel's right to exist. Therefore it would be impossible to have a "two-state solution", which is the objective the international community is currently pursuing.

If Israel were to act toward all Palestinians in the way that Hamas acts toward all Israelis, we wouldn't have any more Palestinians. I think Israel deserves more credit than it gets for it's self-restraint in not annihilating the people who have sworn to kill them. Hamas (and organizations like it) need to realize that the state of Israel will never be defeated by bomb-toting militants. If anything, this only hurts Hamas more by rallying the Israeli hawks.
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I have always found it hypocritical that Israel and the US insist that Hamas renounce violence, as if the US and Israel was any better than Hamas (really, the US and Israel is worse than Hamas), I think the US and Israel need to renounce violence first, then and only then, does the US and Israel have the right to tell Hamas to renounce violence, until then, why should Hamas or anybody else take Israel and the US seriously? I don't take the US and Israel very seriously and we all know the long history of the US and Israel both of using unprovoked violence and breaking their signed treaties.
It is true that the US and Israel are hypocritical, but the point is that Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel (it's in their founding charter) and does not even recognize Israel's right to exist. Therefore it would be impossible to have a "two-state solution", which is the objective the international community is currently pursuing.

If Israel were to act toward all Palestinians in the way that Hamas acts toward all Israelis, we wouldn't have any more Palestinians. I think Israel deserves more credit than it gets for it's self-restraint in not annihilating the people who have sworn to kill them. Hamas (and organizations like it) need to realize that the state of Israel will never be defeated by bomb-toting militants. If anything, this only hurts Hamas more by rallying the Israeli hawks.

Who knows where the Israel/Palestine conflict would be without U.S. $$$$$

It might have been over already.
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Who knows where the Israel/Palestine conflict would be without U.S. $$$$$

It might have been over already.
Or the refusal of the international community to let somebody win. An Israeli victory will do more for peace than the current "peace process"
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