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Old 02-20-2006, 11:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed


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Ballistics Test Video

What do you guys think? Alex Jones isn't an expert in ballistics, nor is he a scientist, but what he does uncover is quite interesting. Hopefully he'll attract real experts in conducting closed expierement testing.
BS.

If he'd shot at him from 15 feet, and peppered him the way he did, it would have KILLED Wittington. Period.

This story is crap.
Your missing the point. The only way to have had the bird shot penetrate into Wittington as deep as it has, it would have had to be 15 to 20 feet or what range Alex Jones said. If Cheney shot him at the given story of 90 feet, the bird shot would have just ricocheted off of him, or at the most penetrate just milimeters beneth the skin. NOT through layers of bone, muscle, and tissue. The fact that Wittington is alive means he's a very lucky man. Esspecially when bird shot reaches his heart.

When I posted this I thought it was just Alex Jones out in the desert with a shotgun and his trusty camera man. But actually he had a number of different experts with him, including an engineer and someone that is experienced in military and police work, which all support Alex Jones' conclusions.
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Old 02-20-2006, 11:14 PM   #12 (permalink)
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed


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Ballistics Test Video

What do you guys think? Alex Jones isn't an expert in ballistics, nor is he a scientist, but what he does uncover is quite interesting. Hopefully he'll attract real experts in conducting closed expierement testing.
BS.

If he'd shot at him from 15 feet, and peppered him the way he did, it would have KILLED Wittington. Period.

This story is crap.

It was clearly shown that at a longer distance the spread would have been too wide to hit him so many times.

Why did they stall the story? Why the lies about the incident? There is something bigger just beyond the surface.
Shooting a guy in the face with a shot-gun, from 15 feet, would have blown his head off - literally. No question.

Have you ever even held or shot a gun? It is unbelievable that you would buy into such crap!


You're free to ASSume there's something big that the administration is hiding. Let me help you: Cheney lured Wittington out there to kill him, because Cheney is actually having an affair with Wittington's daughter - and he figured that if Wittington was dead NOBODY would know how he died of a shot-gun wound to the head.
Old 02-20-2006, 11:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed


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By Alex Jones

Ballistics Test Video

What do you guys think? Alex Jones isn't an expert in ballistics, nor is he a scientist, but what he does uncover is quite interesting. Hopefully he'll attract real experts in conducting closed expierement testing.
BS.

If he'd shot at him from 15 feet, and peppered him the way he did, it would have KILLED Wittington. Period.

This story is crap.
Your missing the point. The only way to have had the bird shot penetrate into Wittington as deep as it has, it would have had to be 15 to 20 feet or what range Alex Jones said. If Cheney shot him at the given story of 90 feet, the bird shot would have just ricocheted off of him, or at the most penetrate just milimeters beneth the skin. NOT through layers of bone, muscle, and tissue. The fact that Wittington is alive means he's a very lucky man. Esspecially when bird shot reaches his heart.

When I posted this I thought it was just Alex Jones out in the desert with a shotgun and his trusty camera man. But actually he had a number of different experts with him, including an engineer and someone that is experienced in military and police work, which all support Alex Jones' conclusions.
Fair enough.

But how come SOME of the shot simply pelted his face, while some of it apparently lodged into his chest? What's the explanation for that?

I suppose the conspiracy theorists will now start saying that there were multiple gun-shots.


One thing we have to remember is that there are MANY different "loads" for shotgun shells. There are also different strengths of charge. Therefore, you MUST use the same shotgun and the same shells in order for this "test" to be even remotely accurate. Somehow, I have my doubts that this was done.
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed


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By Alex Jones

Ballistics Test Video

What do you guys think? Alex Jones isn't an expert in ballistics, nor is he a scientist, but what he does uncover is quite interesting. Hopefully he'll attract real experts in conducting closed expierement testing.
BS.

If he'd shot at him from 15 feet, and peppered him the way he did, it would have KILLED Wittington. Period.

This story is crap.
Your missing the point. The only way to have had the bird shot penetrate into Wittington as deep as it has, it would have had to be 15 to 20 feet or what range Alex Jones said. If Cheney shot him at the given story of 90 feet, the bird shot would have just ricocheted off of him, or at the most penetrate just milimeters beneth the skin. NOT through layers of bone, muscle, and tissue. The fact that Wittington is alive means he's a very lucky man. Esspecially when bird shot reaches his heart.

When I posted this I thought it was just Alex Jones out in the desert with a shotgun and his trusty camera man. But actually he had a number of different experts with him, including an engineer and someone that is experienced in military and police work, which all support Alex Jones' conclusions.
Fair enough.

But how come SOME of the shot simply pelted his face, while some of it apparently lodged into his chest? What's the explanation for that?

I suppose the conspiracy theorists will now start saying that there were multiple gun-shots.


One thing we have to remember is that there are MANY different "loads" for shotgun shells. There are also different strengths of charge. Therefore, you MUST use the same shotgun and the same shells in order for this "test" to be even remotely accurate. Somehow, I have my doubts that this was done.
There was a second shooter!
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:27 AM   #15 (permalink)
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One thing we have to remember is that there are MANY different "loads" for shotgun shells. There are also different strengths of charge. Therefore, you MUST use the same shotgun and the same shells in order for this "test" to be even remotely accurate. Somehow, I have my doubts that this was done.
Actually the expeirement was conducted with the same shotgun, and same shells that Cheney was using. Alex Jones says this toward the begining of the video.

And I also don't ever recall Alex Jones theorizing a conspiracy. He simply debunked the official explaination sent out by the White House office.

But again I am perfectly aware Alex Jones is an anti-Bush activist. Which is why I am slightly skeptical of it, as it wasn't preformed in a controlled non-partisan scientific experiement. From what I see its pretty reliable, and I congradulate Alex Jones for conducting it, but I would want to see a professional closed experiement followed by an independent investigation.
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One thing we have to remember is that there are MANY different "loads" for shotgun shells. There are also different strengths of charge. Therefore, you MUST use the same shotgun and the same shells in order for this "test" to be even remotely accurate. Somehow, I have my doubts that this was done.
Actually the expeirement was conducted with the same shotgun, and same shells that Cheney was using. Alex Jones says this toward the begining of the video.

And I also don't ever recall Alex Jones theorizing a conspiracy. He simply debunked the official explaination sent out by the White House office.

But again I am perfectly aware Alex Jones is an anti-Bush activist. Which is why I am slightly skeptical of it, as it wasn't preformed in a controlled non-partisan scientific experiement. From what I see its pretty reliable, and I congradulate Alex Jones for conducting it, but I would want to see a professional closed experiement followed by an independent investigation.
Then what's the explanation?

You CANNOT shoot somebody in the face - with a shotgun - from 15 feet without blowing his head off (literally).
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed


Infowars | February 16, 2006
By Alex Jones

Ballistics Test Video

What do you guys think? Alex Jones isn't an expert in ballistics, nor is he a scientist, but what he does uncover is quite interesting. Hopefully he'll attract real experts in conducting closed expierement testing.
BS.

If he'd shot at him from 15 feet, and peppered him the way he did, it would have KILLED Wittington. Period.

This story is crap.

It was clearly shown that at a longer distance the spread would have been too wide to hit him so many times.

Why did they stall the story? Why the lies about the incident? There is something bigger just beyond the surface.
Shooting a guy in the face with a shot-gun, from 15 feet, would have blown his head off - literally. No question.

Have you ever even held or shot a gun? It is unbelievable that you would buy into such crap!


You're free to ASSume there's something big that the administration is hiding. Let me help you: Cheney lured Wittington out there to kill him, because Cheney is actually having an affair with Wittington's daughter - and he figured that if Wittington was dead NOBODY would know how he died of a shot-gun wound to the head.
A 28 gauge shot gun with bird shot will not 'blow your head off' even if you put in on your mouth. I think that Cheney screwed up, but in the end it was an accident. Maybe he was drinking or something but really, in the end who cares, nothing that can be proven now anyway! This Man is screwing us all in important areas and I am not picking bird shot out off my ass. Worry about important things.
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed


Infowars | February 16, 2006
By Alex Jones

Ballistics Test Video

What do you guys think? Alex Jones isn't an expert in ballistics, nor is he a scientist, but what he does uncover is quite interesting. Hopefully he'll attract real experts in conducting closed expierement testing.
BS.

If he'd shot at him from 15 feet, and peppered him the way he did, it would have KILLED Wittington. Period.

This story is crap.

It was clearly shown that at a longer distance the spread would have been too wide to hit him so many times.

Why did they stall the story? Why the lies about the incident? There is something bigger just beyond the surface.
Shooting a guy in the face with a shot-gun, from 15 feet, would have blown his head off - literally. No question.

Have you ever even held or shot a gun? It is unbelievable that you would buy into such crap!


You're free to ASSume there's something big that the administration is hiding. Let me help you: Cheney lured Wittington out there to kill him, because Cheney is actually having an affair with Wittington's daughter - and he figured that if Wittington was dead NOBODY would know how he died of a shot-gun wound to the head.
A 28 gauge shot gun with bird shot will not 'blow your head off' even if you put in on your mouth. I think that Cheney screwed up, but in the end it was an accident. Maybe he was drinking or something but really, in the end who cares, nothing that can be proven now anyway! This Man is screwing us all in important areas and I am not picking bird shot out off my ass. Worry about important things.
Actually, a 28 guage shotgun - in the mouth - will absolutely blow the back of your head off. Period. If you don't believe that, you've never owned and used a shotgun.

Bottom line is this: Unless a person is a conspiracy theorist or a blind Bush Administration Hater, he'll have to come to the conclusion that this was an accident. A stupid and careless accident, but an accident.

It is idiotic to think that Cheney tried to kill a man this way.
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF CHENEY'S SHOOTING STORY A LIE
Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed


Infowars | February 16, 2006
By Alex Jones

Ballistics Test Video

What do you guys think? Alex Jones isn't an expert in ballistics, nor is he a scientist, but what he does uncover is quite interesting. Hopefully he'll attract real experts in conducting closed expierement testing.
BS.

If he'd shot at him from 15 feet, and peppered him the way he did, it would have KILLED Wittington. Period.

This story is crap.

It was clearly shown that at a longer distance the spread would have been too wide to hit him so many times.

Why did they stall the story? Why the lies about the incident? There is something bigger just beyond the surface.
Shooting a guy in the face with a shot-gun, from 15 feet, would have blown his head off - literally. No question.

Have you ever even held or shot a gun? It is unbelievable that you would buy into such crap!


You're free to ASSume there's something big that the administration is hiding. Let me help you: Cheney lured Wittington out there to kill him, because Cheney is actually having an affair with Wittington's daughter - and he figured that if Wittington was dead NOBODY would know how he died of a shot-gun wound to the head.
A 28 gauge shot gun with bird shot will not 'blow your head off' even if you put in on your mouth. I think that Cheney screwed up, but in the end it was an accident. Maybe he was drinking or something but really, in the end who cares, nothing that can be proven now anyway! This Man is screwing us all in important areas and I am not picking bird shot out off my ass. Worry about important things.
Actually, a 28 guage shotgun - in the mouth - will absolutely blow the back of your head off. Period. If you don't believe that, you've never owned and used a shotgun.

Bottom line is this: Unless a person is a conspiracy theorist or a blind Bush Administration Hater, he'll have to come to the conclusion that this was an accident. A stupid and careless accident, but an accident.

It is idiotic to think that Cheney tried to kill a man this way.
I understand what you're saying. I talked to many of my buddies that hunt reguarly and they said the same.

Still... Tyreay did say it was probably an accident. I don't really think there are too many people on here who think he did it on purpose. It wouldn't make sense. How could he benefit from it?
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I think it was an accident that was covered up for a day because the vice president was intoxicated while hunting. Thus giving him time for the alcohol to clear his system.

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