Help raise the minimum wage. - Page 2

Jefferson · 05-08-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

1) Folks on minimum wage will afford it how?
2) And this affects the minimum wage how?
3) Still has no affect on the pathetic minimum wage that millions of adults are forced to work in America.
4) You can move to where the minimum wage is higher than the federal standards... they are still pathetic wages.

1. Poorer Americans get Pell Grants, and other educational assistance. The poor in America can easily get a free-ride to college. It's called "financial assistance, and happens all the time.
2. Working hard at a minimum wage job is FAR more beneficial than not working at all. NO employer is going to hire a loser that's been sitting around "waiting for the right job".
3. See #2.
4. If there are no jobs near where you live, MOVE. People have done it forever.

I hate crybaby excuse makers. In the end, they spend their whole lives doing nothing but being crybaby excuse makers. Nothing is ever good enough. Nothing ever works - and it's always somebody else's fault. You could give them a million dollars for doing nothing, and they'd complain that it wasn't two million dollars. Then they'd go out and blow it, and complain because they're poor.

hevusa · 05-08-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

1. Poorer Americans get Pell Grants, and other educational assistance. The poor in America can easily get a free-ride to college. It's called "financial assistance, and happens all the time.
2. Working hard at a minimum wage job is FAR more beneficial than not working at all. NO employer is going to hire a loser that's been sitting around "waiting for the right job".
3. See #2.
4. If there are no jobs near where you live, MOVE. People have done it forever.

I hate crybaby excuse makers. In the end, they spend their whole lives doing nothing but being crybaby excuse makers. Nothing is ever good enough. Nothing ever works - and it's always somebody else's fault. You could give them a million dollars for doing nothing, and they'd complain that it wasn't two million dollars. Then they'd go out and blow it, and complain because they're poor.

So 40 million Americans who can't afford health insurance are just being "lazy cry babies".

Yeah, and pigs will start flying soon. It could perhaps be an underlying problem with capitalism. Just a wild guess

Dylan · 05-08-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hkbajwa

well gentlemen i'm gonna add my two cents..

WELFARE STATE

It works dude.. it really does. Tell the top 5% earners in the US to pay an extra 10% in tax.. will that affect anything other than the fact that these people will get richer at a lesser rate?

Use this money to subsidize minimum wage. Or spend the money on education.. or on a million other things that the US can't "afford".

Alternatively buy a few weapons less for the army. Or de-commission a nuke or two. These are all billion dollar costs. Are they more important than people having a decent wage? Nobody even comes CLOSE to america's military strength.. how much stronger does it need to be??

20%+ unemployment, rioting, sluggish economy. That is why the welfare state is a bad idea.

hevusa · 05-08-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

20%+ unemployment, rioting, sluggish economy. That is why the welfare state is a bad idea.

There have been no major riots in social democracies/Scandinavia in the recent past.

Unemployment & sluggish economy???
Here are current unemployment rates and budget.

Sweden 6% (2005 est.)
revenues: $210.5 billion
expenditures: $205.9 billion (2005 est.)

Denmark 5.5% (2005 est.)
revenues: $144 billion
expenditures: $135 billion (2005 est.)

Norway 4.2% (2005 est.)
revenues: $176.1 billion
expenditures: $131.3 billion (2005 est.)

Finland 7.9% (2005 est.)
revenues: $99.61 billion
expenditures: $97.14 billion (2005 est.)

Iceland 2.1% (2005 est.)
revenues: $6.995 billion
expenditures: $6.761 billion (2005 est.)

United States
5.1% (2005 est.)
revenues: $2.119 trillion
expenditures: $2.466 trillion (2005 est.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...elds/2129.html

Jefferson · 05-09-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

So 40 million Americans who can't afford health insurance are just being "lazy cry babies".

Yeah, and pigs will start flying soon. It could perhaps be an underlying problem with capitalism. Just a wild guess

How many of those 40 million Americans are on public assistance - aka, Medical Assistance or Title IX?

The answer? MOST!

They've figured it out! Why buy health insurance from a private provider, when you can live off the state - and public health facilities CANNOT, by law, deny you service.

It's not that hard to figure out!

hevusa · 05-09-2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

How many of those 40 million Americans are on public assistance - aka, Medical Assistance or Title IX?

The answer? MOST!

They've figured it out! Why buy health insurance from a private provider, when you can live off the state - and public health facilities CANNOT, by law, deny you service.

It's not that hard to figure out!

Link??

Jefferson · 05-09-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Link??

Go to your local hospital. Good grief. Get out of the apartment. Read something that is NOT on the internet.

I know, for a fact, that a family of 5 in Minnesota can make just under $40,000 per year and still be on Minnesota's equivalent of MA. It's called MinnesotaCare - and the family pays a small premium, based on their income.

Would you like me to MAIL you some books and tech manuals about it?

hevusa · 05-09-2006, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Go to your local hospital. Good grief. Get out of the apartment. Read something that is NOT on the internet.

I know, for a fact, that a family of 5 in Minnesota can make just under $40,000 per year and still be on Minnesota's equivalent of MA. It's called MinnesotaCare - and the family pays a small premium, based on their income.

Would you like me to MAIL you some books and tech manuals about it?

Link?