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Old 05-14-2006, 05:30 AM   #71 (permalink)
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From your very own source here are the figures that they give.

55% of firms with 3 to 9 employees provide healthcare insurance

76% of firms with 10 to 24 employees provide healthcare insurance

84% of firms with 25 - 49 employees provide healthcare insurance

95% of firms with 50 to 100 employees provide healthcare insurance

98% of firms with 200 plus employees provide healtcare insurance

So it is small business that seem to be having the problem and that is because they are small and cannot compete with larger business, that is why the President want to allow for small businesses to form compacts so that they could then be better able to provide health insurance.

It seems once again you stretched the truth when you made your blatant statement that nearly half of corporations.... it seems that the facts don't support your statement. They have a word for that but I just can't remember what it is right now........(jest)

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Old 05-14-2006, 11:47 AM   #72 (permalink)
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It's probably an urban myth fostered by the MSM. They have been known to make up stories.....The New York Times, The LA Times, ABC......
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From your very own source here are the figures that they give.

55% of firms with 3 to 9 employees provide healthcare insurance

76% of firms with 10 to 24 employees provide healthcare insurance

84% of firms with 25 - 49 employees provide healthcare insurance

95% of firms with 50 to 100 employees provide healthcare insurance

98% of firms with 200 plus employees provide healtcare insurance

So it is small business that seem to be having the problem and that is because they are small and cannot compete with larger business, that is why the President want to allow for small businesses to form compacts so that they could then be better able to provide health insurance.

It seems once again you stretched the truth when you made your blatant statement that nearly half of corporations.... it seems that the facts don't support your statement. They have a word for that but I just can't remember what it is right now........(jest)

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You post these like they are good!! They leave MILLIONS of people out in the cold. There is no way to justify that.

Over HALF the companies with 10 or fewer employees cannot provide health care. That number has grown over 140% in Bush's second term.

40 million people cannot afford health care.

My girlfriend is one of them. She doesn't have health insurance and recently had to go to the emergency room for an urgent bladder infection. We got the bill the other day.... over $500. Disgusting the way people get ripped off in this country.


This is what capitalist greed creates! The top 1% own more than the bottom 90%. The top 10% own 70% of personal wealth. And 40 MILLION people can't afford the basic needs of life.

Sounds great!!! I wonder why we have an area of every metropolitan area that seems like a war zone??????



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Approximately 46 million Americans, or 15.7 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2004 (the latest government data available).

The number of uninsured rose 800,000 between 2003 and 2004 and has increased by 6 million since 2000 (1).
The increase in the number of uninsured in 2004 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 18.6 percent in 2003 to 19.0 percent in 2004. An increase of over 750,000 in 2004 (1).

Nearly 82 million people - about one-third of the population below the age of 65 spent a portion of either 2002 or 2003 without health coverage (1).

The percentage of people with employment-based health insurance has dropped from 70 percent in 1987 to 59.8 percent in 2004. This is the lowest level of employment-based insurance coverage in more than a decade (2, 3).

In 2004, 27 million workers were uninsured because not all businesses offer health benefits, not all workers qualify for coverage and many employees cannot afford their share of the health insurance premium even when coverage is at their fingertips(4).

The number of uninsured children in 2004 was 8.3 million - or 11.2 percent of all children in the U.S. (1).

Young adults (18-to-24 years old) remained the least likely of any age group to have health insurance in 2004 - 31.4 percent of this group did not have health insurance (1).

Based on a three year average (2002-2004), people of Hispanic origin were the least likely to have health insurance. An average of 32.7 percent of Hispanics were without health insurance during that period (1)


http://www.nchc.org/facts/coverage.shtml
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I don't see anything in our constitution that says government is supposed to provide health care for all the citizens of the USA. I must have missed that one.
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I don't see anything in our constitution that says government is supposed to provide health care for all the citizens of the USA. I must have missed that one.

Why is their never morality associated with money in Christianity?

We have our top 1% owning more than our bottom 90%. We have over 8 million children without health insurance. That is more than a lot of small countries!!!

Maybe it is time to change the constitution to give people the basic needs of human existence?
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Why is their never morality associated with money in Christianity?

We have our top 1% owning more than our bottom 90%. We have over 8 million children without health insurance. That is more than a lot of small countries!!!

Maybe it is time to change the constitution to give people the basic needs of human existence?
That is absolute, complete and utter BS. It is a pure lie, and you should stop it.

There are over 8 million children without PRIVATE health insurance. However, most (if not all) of them are covered by WELFARE AND MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.

And how many of them are the children of Illegal Immigrants?

EVERY ONE OF THEM can go to a hospital, and the hospital CANNOT REFUSE TREATMENT.


Pull your head out of your butt, buddy! Stop lying and skewing the truth. Welfare and Medical Assistance covers virtually EVERY one of these kids. The rest are Amish.
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That is absolute, complete and utter BS. It is a pure lie, and you should stop it.

There are over 8 million children without PRIVATE health insurance. However, most (if not all) of them are covered by WELFARE AND MEDICAL ASSISTANCE.

And how many of them are the children of Illegal Immigrants?

EVERY ONE OF THEM can go to a hospital, and the hospital CANNOT REFUSE TREATMENT.


Pull your head out of your butt, buddy! Stop lying and skewing the truth. Welfare and Medical Assistance covers virtually EVERY one of these kids. The rest are Amish.

Wishful thinking. 46 million are not illegal immigrants and amish
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Wishful thinking. 46 million are not illegal immigrants and amish
Refer to earlier post.

Please do research on Welfare, Medical Assistance and similar programs.

46 million people "without healthcare" is a liberal lie. A bold-faced, hypocritical, asinine lie.

Only people who are idiots, or totally uninformed would believe it to be true.

My friend the black lady - who has never worked a day in her life - and just had major surgery - has the BEST health-care of anybody. She gets all the medical attention she needs (even though she does nothing but sit around, eat and get fatter) and she doesn't pay a PENNY.

Now... care to tell me about all these poor people who are dying without healthcare?

It's BS. It is an outright lie, propagated by the stupid liberal left.
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46 million people "without healthcare" is a liberal lie. A bold-faced, hypocritical, asinine lie.

Liberal Lie???? Here is what FOX NEWS says:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193215,00.html

Study: Number of Uninsured Americans on Rise

Wednesday, April 26, 2006

NEW YORK — The percentage of working-age Americans with moderate to middle incomes who lacked health insurance for at least part of the year rose to 41 percent in 2005, a dramatic increase from the 28 percent in 2001 without coverage, a study released on Wednesday found.

Moreover, more than half of the uninsured adults said they were having problems paying their medical bills or had incurred debt to cover their expenses, according to a report by the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based private, health care policy foundation.

The study of 4,350 adults also found that people without insurance were more likely to forgo recommended health screenings such as mammograms than those with coverage and were less likely to have a regular doctor than their insured counterparts.

The report paints a bleak health care picture for the uninsured. "It represents an explosion of the insurance crisis into those with moderate incomes," said Sara Collins, a senior program officer at the Commonwealth Fund.

Collins said the study also illustrates how more employers are dropping coverage or are offering plans that are just too expensive for many people.

About 45.8 million Americans did not have health insurance in 2004, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

The percentage of individuals earning less than $20,000 a year without insurance rose to 53 percent, up from 49 percent in 2001. Overall, the percentage of people without insurance rose to 28 percent in 2005 from 24 percent in 2001.

The study also found that 59 percent of uninsured with chronic conditions such as asthma or diabetes either skipped a dose of their medicine or went without it because it was too expensive.

One-third of those in that group visited an emergency room or stayed in a hospital overnight or did both, compared to 15 percent of their insured counterparts.

Collins said those statistics are significant because giving up medicines typically leads to more expensive health problems later. Treating people in expensive settings such emergency rooms places a financial burden on the health care system, she added.

"People not being able to take care of themselves should send out a big red flag," said Collins.

HCA Inc. hoisted a red flag on Tuesday, when the nation's largest for-profit hospital operator said its earnings fell 8.5 percent in the first quarter after an increase in the uninsured admissions cut into revenue gains. Uninsured admissions rose 13 percent during the quarter, and the company said its provision for "doubtful accounts" rose to $852 million from $683 million a year earlier.

The Commonwealth Fund's study was bolstered by analysis of government data funded and released by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, a private organization that provides health care grants.

That study found that cost prevented 41.1 percent of uninsured adults from seeing a doctor, compared to 9.2 percent of individuals with coverage.

Meanwhile, 51 percent of women without health insurance haven't had a mammogram in two years, compared to 22.8 percent of women with insurance.

And 76.3 percent of uninsured men between the ages of 40 to 64 haven't had the PSA test, which detects prostate cancer, in two years. That compares to 52.2 percent of their insured counterparts.

Researchers at the University of Minnesota School of Public Health used data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to reach the study's conclusion.
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What are the names of the hospitals that are refusing medical care for children who are not insured?
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