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Old 05-09-2006, 06:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Man... What is it with you and intellectuals? Someone has a chip on his shoulder...

Did you get shown up by the school nerd at the last high school reunion, or what?
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Old 05-09-2006, 06:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Man... What is it with you and intellectuals? Someone has a chip on his shoulder...

Did you get shown up by the school nerd at the last high school reunion, or what?

Lol


Although Jefferson, that did make me laugh a bit.
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Its been translated from Farsi to French and to English, but its available to the public if you just look.

Click for the full text of the letter

Hate him or not, you have to admit he does speak a lot of truths. He's a hypocritical bastard, but at least a hypocritical bastard that speaks some truth. Although he is crazy on the holocaust and some issues with Israel, but some of what he has to say about Israel in that letter does ring some truth. I think he was being kind of moderate in the letter than what he really is, but its a good letter mostly anyway.

And don't believe anything the Bush administration says in response to the letter, I don't even think they're bothering to read it.
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Old 05-09-2006, 11:39 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Its been translated from Farsi to French and to English, but its available to the public if you just look.

Click for the full text of the letter

Hate him or not, you have to admit he does speak a lot of truths. He's a hypocritical bastard, but at least a hypocritical bastard that speaks some truth. Although he is crazy on the holocaust and some issues with Israel, but some of what he has to say about Israel in that letter does ring some truth. I think he was being kind of moderate in the letter than what he really is, but its a good letter mostly anyway.

And don't believe anything the Bush administration says in response to the letter, I don't even think they're bothering to read it.

Oy veysmir...

Where do I start?

He's lecturing about liberal values? Because you know, Iran totally does liberal values well. I don't know what's more liberal, the fact that women in Iran can't leave their homes without a male escort, or that they aren't allowed to drive cars.

Transperancy in government? A free and open media? We all know Iran is a paragon of both! And oh, who embraces democratic human rights more than Iran, where people are hung in the public square for being gay! Please excuse my dripping sarcasm.

Hamas are TERRORISTS. Basically the only reasons they got elected are that the Fatah Party were riddled with corruption, and Hamas has been running all of the basic services that the government hasn't. Day cares, soup kitchens... For the Palestinians, it was lesser of two evilism. Most Palestinians, until recently, have not embraced Fundamentalism. In fact, traditionally, the Palestinians have been quite socialist. The primary Arab Israeli party in the Knesset is a Communist Party.
Old 05-10-2006, 07:18 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Oy veysmir...

Where do I start?

He's lecturing about liberal values? Because you know, Iran totally does liberal values well. I don't know what's more liberal, the fact that women in Iran can't leave their homes without a male escort, or that they aren't allowed to drive cars.
I haven't read the letter yet, but i can tell you that the above statement is not true of Iran. This is actually the case with Saudi Arabia a staunch US ally. Women in iran work and drive and move about without male escorts. Sure they have to wear a scarf. but that's their culture. In scandinavia people can walk around butt naked without any legal consequences. Can you do that everywhere in the US? Nope, but that's ok cuz its your culture to not be so damn naked all the time.( i love denmark btw

Anyhow i agree that liberalism from Ahmedinejad is pretty odd. But again US allies have WORSE records on liberalism.
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Transperancy in government? A free and open media? We all know Iran is a paragon of both! And oh, who embraces democratic human rights more than Iran, where people are hung in the public square for being gay! Please excuse my dripping sarcasm.
Dripping sarcasm excused. It's not so long ago that Communist sympathisers were persecuted in the US. Mcarthyism isn't very often discussed in the US.
Also, how much do you know about what goes on in your government? You wouldn't have heard anything about the US gov eavesdropping on you if it hadn't been leaked. What transparency.
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Hamas are TERRORISTS. Basically the only reasons they got elected are that the Fatah Party were riddled with corruption, and Hamas has been running all of the basic services that the government hasn't. Day cares, soup kitchens... For the Palestinians, it was lesser of two evilism. Most Palestinians, until recently, have not embraced Fundamentalism. In fact, traditionally, the Palestinians have been quite socialist. The primary Arab Israeli party in the Knesset is a Communist Party.
A terrorist soup kitchen.. Terrorist DAY CARE even. COme on. They got voted in for actually helping their people. That credit is due to them.

Look, the palestinians have no weapons. They have no power and they have no money. They have been pushed around for many decades now. every time an israeli dies, at least 10 palestinians are taken down.

Yes Hamas bombs public buildings etc. Did you know that this was the same pattern of all european resistance movements during WW2? My grandfather was a resistance fighter in denmark and he's bombed quite a few public buildings himself. But that was for freedom. Who the hell decided that hamas isn't fighting for freedom from israeli oppression?

While it is tragic that such barbaric means have to be employed, what would you do if you had no weapons, no money and no power and the canadians kept coming in in their helicopters and shooting down your houses families, friends and leaders?

The palestinian vote for Hamas was not because they all grew beards and started talkin crazy. its cuz they are sick of being pushed around. And Hamas actually takes care of the palestinians. Unlike any other government or organization.
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Man... What is it with you and intellectuals? Someone has a chip on his shoulder...

Did you get shown up by the school nerd at the last high school reunion, or what?
Man, what is it with you and your lack of humor?

Even Hevusa got it - and he hates me!
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