There aren't fifty two weeks in a year on the Jewish calendar, because it's lunar. There are usually twelve months, and a leap month in the 3rd, 6th 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th years in the 19 year cycle established by Hillel II. However, this wasn't established until the fourth century.

Here's a link that explains how the Jewish calendar works.
http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

Ahhh. More complications... (
Complications as to the answer to the specific question.

As to the relevance of why Alias asked it in the first place, I don't get it.
If you've got any insight, fire away...

You always make the rules to fit your theology. You are a very very dishonest person. At first, I thought you were just dishonest, but now I see you are doubly dishonest. Jesus explicitly told the Pharisees that He and his disciples did nothing wrong by eating the wheat because they were hungry and you are just another pharisee arguing about the law. You are arguing with your interpretation, not the bible or Jesus. Jesus specifically told the Pharisees who thought, LIKE YOU, that they had trapped him like you think you have trapped me. I will tell you exactly what Jesus told them........Mercy is better than sacrifice. The law requires sacrifice. Receiving mercy is better. Jesus broke no law. If Jesus said he broke no law, then he didn't break a law. You're nothing but a pharisee.

You have no idea about Sabbaths do you. You don't have a fucking clue what you're even talking about. You're twisting and smoke screens are not argument because your agenda is to cofuse and obfuscate. The sabbaths were alternating every 7 years to a different day. The Sabbath is not even a day. The Sabbath day was a picture of the Messiah who is the Sabbath rest.

It that law in the desert was not just for the manna, then show me the law you are referring to so we can settle this once and for all. She me the law you are referring to.

I'm not really sure what you guys are arguing about, since I've never read the New Testament but, you're wrong about a lot of the things you just said.

Shabbat is every single week, from sundown and the arrival of the first three stars in the sky on Friday, aka Yom ha Shee Shee (The Sixth Day, lit. translation) and ends on Shabbat, the day of rest, when three starts appear in the sky.

During Shabbat, there are 39 catagories of prohibited activities. Here's a link, because it would take way too long for me to write them all down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39_cate...ted_on_Shabbat

Exodus 31 and Genesis 2 give most of the basis.

"God told Moses to speak to the Israelites and say to them: You must still keep my sabbaths. It is a sign between me and you for all generations, to make you realize that I, God, am making you holy. Keep the Sabbath as something sacred to you. Anyone doing work shall be cut off spiritually from his people, and therefore, anyone violating it shall be put to death. Do your work during the six week days, but keep Saturday as a Sabbath of sabbaths, holy to God. Whoever does any work on Saturday shall be put to death. The Israelites shall thus keep the Sabbath, making it a day of rest for all generations, as an eternal covenant. It is a sign between me and the Israelites that during the six weekdays God made heaven and earth, but on Saturday, he ceased working and rested."
Exodus 31:12-17

So, by reaping (removing any part of the plant counts) and doing whatever else it was they did to the wheat, they broke the law.

Now, does that mean 'death'?

No.

This is an informative essay by Rabbi Dan Polish which explains the Talmudic prohibition of the implimentation of the death penalty from the Sanhedrin, one of the ten tractates of the Nezikin, a section of the Talmud which deals with punishments, civil and criminal proceedings, etc. It was written around 1 C.E., so it should have already been in wide circulation by the time Jesus was supposedly around.

http://www.nyadp.org/main/judaism.html

This explains biblical forms of execution in more detail. http://www.jlaw.com/Briefs/capital2.html

Where are you getting the text from? The bible I have does not mention "Saturday". The Sabbath day changed every 7 years.

I'm getting my text from the Tanakh I have on my desk. I can read Hebrew, remember?

Here's my best attempt at transliteration, and translation from Breisheit (Genesis) 2:1-3.

Va'yehiy erev, va'yehiy boker yom ha'shishi
Va'yechulu ha'shamayim ve'ha'aretz v'chol tzevaam.
Va'yechal Elohim ba'yom ha'sheviiy melachto asher asa,
va'yishbot ba'yom ha'sheviiy mikol melachto asher asa.
Va'yevarech Elohim et yom ha'sheviiy va'yekadesh oto,
ki vo shabat mikol melachto asher bara Elohim laasot.

Man... Transliteration is a pain in the ass. I need a Hebrew keyboard or something, but you wouldn't be able to read it anyway. Hmph.

OK... On with the translation.

And it was evening and it was morning on the sixth day. And the heavens and the earth and all their hosts were completed. And God finished by the seventh day His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, for on it He rested from all His work which God created to function.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Then, God goes and repeats it on Mt. Sinai, which would be what I posted before. I could do a transliteration for that too, but I'd prefer not to, because it is an unbelievably huge pain in the ass. I just spent ten minutes doing that one little bit up there.

It's on the same day every single week. In fact, the order of the Jewish seven day week is specifically designed around Shabbat.

Yom Rishon- Sunday (Lit. First Day)
Yom Sheini- Monday (Lit. Second Day)
Yom Shlishi- Tuesday (Lit. Third Day)
Yom Rivii- Wednesday (Lit. Fourth Day)
Yom Chamishi- Thursday (Lit. Fifth Day)
Yom Shishi- Friday (Lit. Sixth Day)
Yom Shabbat- Saturday (Lit. Sabbath Day)

Here's a nifty kids' site I found, if you want to see the Hebrew in block print and cursive. Israeli calendars go by those days of the week.

http://www.akhlah.com/aleph_bet/hebr...f_the_week.php

Exodus 20: 8-11

Remember the Shabbat day to sanctify it. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is Shabbat for the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your manservant or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the stranger within your gates. For [in] six days the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Shabbat day and made it holy.

Apparently, I win again! So, parochial school was good for something after all.

(I kid. I actually learned a lot there, about a great many things.)

Talk about your "pot calling the kettle black" moments...

But regardless, I am just INTERPETING what the Bible says. Same as you.
You don't like my interpretation, but you cannot show ANYTHING WRONG with it.


A LOT of what you refer to as "dishonesty" with regards to my arguments just boils down to you being INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING what I'm saying with simple English.

Let's go over this again...
Jesus's response, because you keep CLAIMING what jesus supposedly "explicitly told", but you habitually FAIL to actually prove it by quoting your scripture...

Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

It clearly references history regarding what "David did". It states David "hungered" and that David "ate the shewbread".
But notice the next passage where it EXPLICITLY STATES "was not lawful for him to eat"??
Does that sound like what David did was Okay?
It sounds pretty damn clear to me that he was doing something "not lawful"...

But moving on, my argument goes even further.
IF it was lawful to gather food on the Sabbath based SOLELY on hunger, then WHY was it unlawful for them to gather manna in the desert on the Sabbath?
And before you go in again with your UNSUBSTANTIATED claims that the "gathering food" was only applicable to the desert / manna situation, you're going to HAVE TO PROVE your claim. Because NO Bible passage I have ever seen claims that the "no gathering food on the Sabbath" claim was applicable only in the desert.
And moreover, it's pretty damn clear by the Pharisees discussion that IT WAS STILL APPLICABLE in that time.

Got it?


I am USING common sense interpretation to point out the flaws in the Bible.
The STATEMENTS OF THE BIBLE ITSELF to prove a point about the Bible.

THAT is what I am doing.
Got it?


I haven't "trapped" you in anything.
I'm talking about the BIBLE. You're taking this WAYYY too personal, as at best I'm talking about your INTERPRETATION of the bible.

Regardless, I've already pointed out that I DO NOT think like the pharisees at all. The pharisees were all about rules and regulations and applying them to others. I want you to take the "rules and regulations" that YOU want to apply to others, and keep them to yourself.
The pharisees were so caught up in applying the laws to others that they didn't see the bigger picture. Like you, who demonstrate that you want to apply the laws to others, but refuse to address what the LAW SAYS TO YOU...


Try THINKING about this for a minute.
If Jesus DID NOT break the law, then WHY was he talking about "mercy" in the first place?
You need mercy IF YOU BREAK the law. But you claim that Jesus didn't break the law...
Does that make sense?

And going a step further, Jesus DID break the law that was applicable TO THE PEOPLE. If, as you argued, Jesus did not break the law because Jesus is above the law, then Jesus DID NOT KEEP the law as the bible states that he had to have in order to be the messiah.

Jesus was supposed to have kept the law that the rest of us COULDN'T have kept, because we violate the law. But if Jesus just ignored the law and was above it, then he DID NOT keep the law that the rest of us supposedly had applying to us.


1) You're attempting to change the subject TO THE IRRELEVANT. The bible EXPLICITLY notes that THIS DAY that Jesus and his disciples gathered grain was the sabbath day. I don't need to know all the back story on the sabbath for my argument.
Everything

2) You can continue the discussion with Dylan if you want, but I think you just proved that you can't. I never claimed to be an expert on the Sabbath. I didn't need to be.
But for you to criticize me because I don't know, and then get slammed like you just were?
That's just plain a work of art. Irony in perfection, and you probably don't even realize it.

3) And it is patently HILARIOUS how you criticize me for not knowing more about the Sabbath (and hypocritical too) when YOU DO NOT know enough about the Hebrew LAW pertaining to the Sabbath. If you did, you would KNOW what the pharisees were talking about with regards to what sin Jesus and his disciples were committing. Instead, you argue that it was only applicable to the manna in the desert, which IS NOT what Hebrew tradition held for CENTURIES after the manna in the desert.


Dylan did JUST THAT with a variety of bible passages. I'm not going to requote what he said, because it would be redundant, and you're probably not going to address it anyways...
Also look at his wikipedia reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/39_cate...ted_on_Shabbat
The Jewish interpretation of that commandment established a LONG LIST of things which constituted "work". One of those items on that list WAS GATHERING FOOD on the Sabbath.
This fact WAS CONFIRMED in the desert, with the passages I quoted, when Moses EXPLICITLY stated that to respect the Sabbath day they COULD NOT gather food on the Sabbath. MOSES directly establishing MOSAIC LAW.
And the icing on the cake is that God confirmed it with his actions.

BB

Bible Blabber

I don't know what you won. Saturday is not mentioned. The Sabbath was not called Saturday. Besides that, there were a lot of different Sabbath days, not just one.