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Dylan · 06-05-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Foundit cannot grasp the concept and it is right there in the bible plain as the wart on his nose.

I forgot to mention that there are three exceptions to the rule: Idolatry, adultery, and murder.

alias · 06-05-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Alzheimer's again?
YOU ASKED ME TO GIVE YOU A BIBLE CONTRADICTION.

You ASKED for this discussion.

Alias, you REALLY don't get the big picture on this thing, do you.
If a person believes as you do that Jesus is infallible and that everything he says is absolute truth, then they could come to a conclusion like yours.

But if a person is OBJECTIVE on the issue, without blindly assuming that Jesus will always tell the truth, then they ARE NOT going to come to your conclusion.

Anybody who is objective and rationale will come to my conclusion, as I don't make ANY assumptions about the credibility of Jesus or the pharisees.

Then what the hell are you arguing for? All you have to do is say you don't believe it. Jesus said he is Lord of the Sabbath. What does that mean to you? You don't really have a clue do you?

foundit66 · 06-05-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

I know you weren't addressing me, but I suppose that this does apply to me. The core of being a Jew is to wrestle with God, and with religion and to question , and to study.

Wow. That's kinda cool and deep.
Referencing Jacob?

I hate to detract from your statement, but on the flip side, one of my annoyances with Christianity is the pretense that they don't need to question, because they already have the answers...

foundit66 · 06-05-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Then what the hell are you arguing for? All you have to do is say you don't believe it.

I don't believe in the bible BECAUSE of the contradictions...

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Originally Posted by alias

Jesus said he is Lord of the Sabbath. What does that mean to you? You don't really have a clue do you?

You're doing it again.
Asking leading questions and trying to prove a point with JUST the question.
And what's really stupid is that the LAST TIME I gave an interpretation of those passages, you DID NOT FAULT my interpretation at all.

But you don't remember that at all, do you.
You probably don't remember what you posted thirty minutes ago...

What does that mean?
That the God that people are worshipping on the Sabbath IS Jesus.

Now tell me I am wrong and how much of an idiot I am for interpreting that.
Go on. It'll be "entertaining"...

Dylan · 06-05-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

No. It's in the Old testament.

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot the English name of Divrey Chayamim. My bad!

OK, here's the skinny on that: I don't see the number 70 anywhere. I don't know where you got it... Hm...

Chronicles II 36:21...
"To fulfill the word of the Lord in the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land was appeased for its Sabbaths; for all the days of its desolation it rested until the completion of seventy years."
The 70 years has nothing to do with Shabbat lasting that long... It's the length of the Babylonian captivity, after ther destruction of the Temple.

These are the books of the Torah

Breisheit, lit. In the Beginning (Genesis)
Shemot, lit. Names (Exodus)
Vayikra, lit. And He Called (Leviticus)
Bamidbar, lit. In the Desert (Numbers)
Devarim, lit. Words (Deuteronomy)

Then there's Nevi'im... There's a lot of these. They're the prophets... You know, Isaiah, etc.

Finally, there's Ketuvim, which is sort of the "everything else" section. The Book of Ruth and the Song of Songs are good examples of parts of the Ketuvim. ]

Dylan · 06-05-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Wow. That's kinda cool and deep.
Referencing Jacob?

I hate to detract from your statement, but on the flip side, one of my annoyances with Christianity is the pretense that they don't need to question, because they already have the answers...

Exactly, and thanks.

Actually, it makes reading the Talmud confusing. It's basically one big argument.

alias · 06-05-2006, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

That IS NOT what they say at all...
We have been OVER that interpretation, and you are reading MUCH MORE into it than is appropriate.

Mat 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple.
Mat 12:7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

v 6: He's referring to his own greatness.
v 7: He's referring to the future covenant, where if they believe in him they will be saved through mercy. The old covenant is "sacrifice".
v 8: He's again referring to his own greatness.

He never says that he can do as he pleases because he is god.
And do NOT claim they were ignorant of the meaning of the law when the meaning has been EXPLICITLY QUOTED to you...

And again you pound your chest meaninglessly...

Here's another passage for you...

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Hope you're packing for warm weather.
Oh wait. I forgot. Your religion doesn't apply to you, does it...
Just like Jesus's law doesn't apply to him...

You like the parisees misunderstand the law. It is saying right there that human needs are above the law because he uses David and his men as an example. The law is not the final word. You seem to think it is.

alias · 06-05-2006, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Your post said that the 70 years thing was from Chronicles. I am positive that is a New Testament book.

These are the books of the Torah

Breisheit, lit. In the Beginning (Genesis)
Shemot, lit. Names (Exodus)
Vayikra, lit. And He Called (Leviticus)
Bamidbar, lit. In the Desert (Numbers)
Devarim, lit. Words (Deuteronomy)

Then there's Nevi'im... There's a lot of these. They're the prophets... You know, Isaiah, etc.

Finally, there's Ketuvim, which is sort of the "everything else" section. The Book of Ruth and the Song of Songs are good examples of parts of the Ketuvim. ]

No. Chronicles is an Old Testament book.

Dylan · 06-05-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

No. Chronicles is an Old Testament book.

Yeah, I can't believe I messed that up.

And, fixed!

foundit66 · 06-05-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

You like the parisees misunderstand the law. It is saying right there that human needs are above the law because he uses David and his men as an example.

NOWHERE does it say that.
Those are words that YOU are adding.

And you're missing the words that I pointed out LAST TIME you tried this failed argument.
Jesus EXPLICITLY admits that David ate that "which was not lawful for him to eat". Jesus EXPLICITLY ADMITS that David's actions were unlawful.

You keep chasing your tail and you keep trying out new arguments that have ALREADY BEEN COUNTERED.
Do you even realize that?
You should be able to remember what I said the last time you tried a failed argument...

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