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Old 06-07-2006, 04:30 PM   #211 (permalink)
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How come you never mentioned anything when foundit calls me ignorant and claims I have Alzheimers? Not too biased are you?
I'm actually not reading Foundit's post. I read a few back a few, but he's talking about the New Testament, and to be honest, I've never read it, so I certainly wouldn't be able to argue the fine points. I can't read every single post on this board. I have a life.
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Old 06-07-2006, 04:32 PM   #212 (permalink)
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If you don't believe the bible, then why would you argue finer points when all you have to do to win is say you don't believe it? Any fool can do that as you have well proven. The only thing you have proven is that you can move the goal posts and cop out by saying "I don't believe the bible" when you get your ass handed to you. That is not debate. That is being dishonest.
You don't have to believe in something to have a valid opinion about it, or to debate it within a logical and/or ethical framework. I've played positions I don't agree with in various debates throughout my life because I was assigned to do so. A good debator can debate both sides of an opinion.
Old 06-07-2006, 04:35 PM   #213 (permalink)
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Foundit is saying "the bible says" until he disagrees with it. You can't see that of course.

How do you know Jesus is a man and not God and Man? You don't know that.
I'm not debating with Foundit, I'm debating with you.

"How do you know" is the second worst theological debate, because no one knows, at least, no one alive, besides God, who may or may not exist. I am saying that having a man who is also a God is idolatry because it lends God an image, and images of God are assur.
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I'm actually not reading Foundit's post. I read a few back a few, but he's talking about the New Testament, and to be honest, I've never read it, so I certainly wouldn't be able to argue the fine points. I can't read every single post on this board. I have a life.
Then maybe before you criticize me, how about making sure you are correct in your analysis without using the excuse you can't read every thread.
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I'm not debating with Foundit, I'm debating with you.

"How do you know" is the second worst theological debate, because no one knows, at least, no one alive, besides God, who may or may not exist. I am saying that having a man who is also a God is idolatry because it lends God an image, and images of God are assur.
How do you know it is idolatry?
Old 06-07-2006, 06:22 PM   #216 (permalink)
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Then maybe before you criticize me, how about making sure you are correct in your analysis without using the excuse you can't read every thread.
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Old 06-07-2006, 07:11 PM   #217 (permalink)
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How do you know it is idolatry?
A man is an image. Making an image of God is idolatry. Therefore, saying that God is also a man is idolatry, because it is creating an image of God.

Then again, if there is no God, or if, in fact, the lord of the universe is a giant purple sardine, we'd both be wrong.
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A man is an image. Making an image of God is idolatry. Therefore, saying that God is also a man is idolatry, because it is creating an image of God.

Then again, if there is no God, or if, in fact, the lord of the universe is a giant purple sardine, we'd both be wrong.

Man is an image of what? You just can't be an image.

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Old 06-07-2006, 09:25 PM   #219 (permalink)
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Man is an image of what? You just can't be an image.
If Jesus is a man and God, then he is an idol, because he is a man's form who is directly representing God, not in the style of a prophet, where he merely relays the message of Hashem and is still mortal. No, he claims that he actually IS the same as God, and therefore, he is portraying something that is supposedly limitless, beyond gender, infinite.

There's a mystical name for God in Judaism, of the thosands of names for God. It is Ein Sof. It's my personal favorite. It means "Without End." It denotes boundlessness. Everything eminates from the Ein Sof... Nothing exists but the Ein Sof, that infiniteness. Everything else is illusion.

Of course, the above paragraph is just speculation on my part, but if there is a God, I hope that it is like the Ein Sof.
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If Jesus is a man and God, then he is an idol, because he is a man's form who is directly representing God, not in the style of a prophet, where he merely relays the message of Hashem and is still mortal. No, he claims that he actually IS the same as God, and therefore, he is portraying something that is supposedly limitless, beyond gender, infinite.

There's a mystical name for God in Judaism, of the thosands of names for God. It is Ein Sof. It's my personal favorite. It means "Without End." It denotes boundlessness. Everything eminates from the Ein Sof... Nothing exists but the Ein Sof, that infiniteness. Everything else is illusion.

Of course, the above paragraph is just speculation on my part, but if there is a God, I hope that it is like the Ein Sof.
Where does it say that God cannot become a man or it is idolotry?
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