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Old 05-30-2006, 12:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh. Alias?

One more passage you might want to look at with regards to your whole *giant Christian symbology on public property* ideals...

Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Not an exact fit, but I think the point is the same...
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Old 05-30-2006, 12:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Which is why EVERYBODY should be riding their bikes, walking, burning E85 in their cars and SoyDiesel in trucks.

Would COULD and SHOULD totally cut off our supply of foreign oil. Period.


THEN we can give the "consumate finger" to the middle-East idiot terrorists. They can sit on their oil, starve to death, and rot in hell.
Though i think the vehemence against the idiot terrorists is a bit misplaced, i actually strongly support your idea.

This way the US could ratify Kyoto and also no longer have any reason to unduly influence the OPEC countries.

And i think the ONLY way the idiot terrorists will stop their insanity is if they are left to fix their own countries. The US should stopp ALL aid to the world ( that includes Israel) and let the rest figure stuff out.
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Why would I?
Is alias doing the gay thing as well as violating those other passages?

Or are you trying to demonstrate that neither I nor alias are following the "Christian" dogma?
(The difference being that I never pretended to...)

Please elaborate on what your attempted point was...
Or, if you actually had none, you can ignore this post like so many others...
The point is that if YOU are stupid enough to quote Bible verses, there are probably some others that are going to come flying back at you. Ones you don't like.

YET ANOTHER example of how you LOVE to dish it out, but you can't take it.
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1. Though i think the vehemence against the idiot terrorists is a bit misplaced, i actually strongly support your idea.

2. This way the US could ratify Kyoto and also no longer have any reason to unduly influence the OPEC countries.

3. And i think the ONLY way the idiot terrorists will stop their insanity is if they are left to fix their own countries.

4. The US should stopp ALL aid to the world ( that includes Israel) and let the rest figure stuff out.
1. Without Western money buying their oil, there would be no money for middle-East terrorists.

2. The United States should NEVER ratify Kyoto. It's crap. It's stupid. It does NOT protect the environment. It's nothing more than political grandstanding.

3. I don't think so. Idiot terrorist CANNOT FIX ANYTHING. They have no plan for peace. They have no plan for national infrastructure - anywhere. They have no plan for helping people live free and prosperous lives. All they know is hatred, violence, mayhem and death.

4. I'd be for that. But it isn't going to happen - and you know it. In fact, if the US DID stop all aid to foreign counties, the world would fall into complete chaos and turmoil.
Old 05-30-2006, 01:22 PM   #25 (permalink)
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The point is that if YOU are stupid enough to quote Bible verses, there are probably some others that are going to come flying back at you. Ones you don't like.
You obviously aren't bright enough to understand what's at play here...

I am pointing out the HYPOCRISY of alias's stance and his claims of "Christianity".

Whether or not I am a Christian is irrelevant to pointing this out. In fact, I don't have to be a Christian to point it out.

If I claimed I were following the Bible, your reply would be of merit. But I don't. I find it to be a book with numerous antiquated and immoral ideals. Some ideals are decent and with merit, but a lot of Christians ignore those without reason.


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YET ANOTHER example of how you LOVE to dish it out, but you can't take it.
You're just being stupid.
I can "take it" just fine.
My point is that there is NOTHING to "take" in your response. I'm not a Christian, so pointing to Bible passages with regards to me makes about as much sense as quoting Mother Goose nursery rhymes to me...

The Bible condemns homosexuality. Yah. I get it. Big fricken deal. It might make some difference if I gave a crap about what the bible says in the first place...

The point is for those who DO claim to give a crap about what the bible says, yet they obviously don't...
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I'm not telling you what "Christians are".
And the only "bullshit" I'm going to use is the Bible...
It's all the reference that need be used in such discussions, because I'm not telling you how to be a Christian...
Your "Jesus" is...


Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.


Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


And I find some irony in the fact that you dislike being told by non-Christians how "Christians" are, yet you pretend to tell gay people how gay people are. Including telling gay people that, despite their statements to the contrary, they chose to be gay...

But please. Continue to show your Christian "love" for your fellow man.
If you are going to use the bible to tell my what Christians are or how to act, then I am going to do likewise and use the bible to tell you what gays are. The bible says this about you:

Romans 1:18-32
:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people who suppress the truth by their unrighteousness, 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them; because God has made it plain to them. 1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse. 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. 1:22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling a mortal human being and birds and four-footed animals and reptiles.

1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed in their passions for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. 1:29 They are filled with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, 1:30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, 1:31 senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. 1:32 Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.



Clean your own house bible scholar before you attempt to tell me how to clean mine. And don't forget to take the log out of your own eye before you try to pull the splinter out of mine. See how this works. When you use the bible to try to put people down, they can turn right around and use it on you.
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If you are going to use the bible to tell my what Christians are or how to act, then I am going to do likewise and use the bible to tell you what gays are.
You poor little dimwit.
I'm not the one who professes to follow the Bible.
YOU are.

I think the Bible is full of outdated ideals which need to be acknowledged for how backwards they are. Some ideals are decent. Some are ridiculously thrown to the "good" side that they're unrealistic.

But your response basically demonstrates that you're not going to follow you're bible, but you are going to point out how other people aren't following your bible either??? And those "other people" aren't even trying to follow your religion...

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Why should I follow your religion when YOU don't even follow your religion???


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Clean your own house bible scholar before you attempt to tell me how to clean mine. And don't forget to take the log out of your own eye before you try to pull the splinter out of mine. See how this works.
ROFLMAO!
So you demand that I follow MORE of your bible verses which YOU clearly reject, judging from your actions???

You remind me of a bumper sticker...
"Christians aren't perfect. They just want you to be..."
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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As long as you're quoting Scripture, why not include 1 Corinthians 6:9: "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders."
... How is that possible?

I don't think that's a correct translation. I've never seen the original text, but there isn't a word for homosexual, or even heterosexual for that matter, in old Hebrew...

There's a word for castrati. Maybe that's what they meant... Or maybe the word "abominators" which could apply to breaking other sins not mentioned. It's related to the word used in Leviticus, and doesn't really go into English very well.
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Wait... What does that have to do with gas prices?
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Wait... What does that have to do with gas prices?
The high price of gas is the fault of homosexuals. Duhhh.
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