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Jefferson · 05-30-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

... How is that possible?

I don't think that's a correct translation. I've never seen the original text, but there isn't a word for homosexual, or even heterosexual for that matter, in old Hebrew...

There's a word for castrati. Maybe that's what they meant... Or maybe the word "abominators" which could apply to breaking other sins not mentioned. It's related to the word used in Leviticus, and doesn't really go into English very well.

Okay, another word for it is "sodomites".

Dylan · 05-30-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Okay, another word for it is "sodomites".

Sodomites is the result of a misunderstanding. The story of Soddom and Gommorah is not about homosexuality. It is about hospitality. Even the most Orthodox Jewish scholar will tell you that.

Now, that doesn't mean that homosexuality isn't banned in orthodox Judaism. It just means that that particular bit has nothing to do with why it is banned.

That word would not, and is not used to refer to homosexual sex.

Jefferson · 05-30-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Sodomites is the result of a misunderstanding. The story of Soddom and Gommorah is not about homosexuality. It is about hospitality. Even the most Orthodox Jewish scholar will tell you that.

Now, that doesn't mean that homosexuality isn't banned in orthodox Judaism. It just means that that particular bit has nothing to do with why it is banned.

That word would not, and is not used to refer to homosexual sex.

That's revisionist BS.

Hospitality?

Lot gave the perverts his wife and daughters. Wasn't that being "hospitable"?

The men of the town wanted to have sex with the "visitors".

THAT is homosexuality - NOT the lack of hospitality.

Dylan · 05-30-2006, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

That's revisionist BS.

Hospitality?

Lot gave the perverts his wife and daughters. Wasn't that being "hospitable"?

The men of the town wanted to have sex with the "visitors".

THAT is homosexuality - NOT the lack of hospitality.

On the contary, some Christians are the revisionists.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=3170

Above is a link to Chabad.org, the website of one of the most orthdox sects in Judaism.

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The book of Genesis (in chapters 13-14 and 18-19) tells us about the evil city of Sodom.

First we read how Lot, Abraham's nephew, settled in Sodom despite the fact that its inhabitants were "very evil and sinful to G-d"; Sodom is ravaged by Cherdolaomer's armies, and Abraham comes to the rescue of his captured nephew; then we find Abraham pleading with G-d to spare the sinful city in the merit of the righteous residents that may be there, but it turns out that not even ten such persons can be found; two angels, disguised as men, visit the city, but only Lot will offer them hospitality; Lot saves them from the Sodomite mob, and they, in turn, rescue him and his two daughters before destroying the city.

What were the sins of Sodom? In the English language, the name of the city is synonymous with sexual perversion. This derives from the Torah's account of how the mob surrounding Lot's house demanded that he hand over his two guests to them "that we may rape them." But the traditional Jewish sources -- the Talmud, Midrashim and the Commentaries -- have a different angle on the Sodom story. There, the emphasis is not on their sexual sins, but on their lack of hospitality and their virulent opposition to anyone who dared share any of the city's wealth with a stranger.

In the words of the Talmud: "The men of Sodom were corrupted only on account of the good which G-d had lavished upon them... They said: Since there comes forth bread out of our earth, and it has the dust of gold, why should we suffer wayfarers, who come to us only to deplete our wealth? Come, let us abolish the practice of lodging travelers in our land..."

They even found a way to be charitable while ensuring that no stranger would benefit from their charity: "If a poor man happened to come there, every resident gave him a dinar, upon which he wrote his name, but no bread was sold to him. When he died, each came and took back his dinar." They went so far as to decree: "Whoever hands a piece of bread to a pauper or stranger shall be burned at the stake."

The story of Sodom appears in the Torah against the background of Abraham's life. Indeed, Sodom is the antithesis of Abraham, who is portrayed by the Torah as the very personification of chessed (benevolence). Abraham gives of himself, materially (providing food and lodgings to wayfarers) and spiritually (sharing the truths he discovered, praying for Sodom); the Sodomite is intent on keeping for himself what is his.

What's notable about the people of Sodom is that they are not thieves (as was the generation of the Flood). Even when they deprive an interloper from his possessions, they are careful to do it in a "legal" manner. In fact, their basic philosophy seems quite benign. In the words of the Ethics of the Father:

One who says, "What is mine is mine and what is yours is yours" -- this is the trait of Sodom.

What can be more fair? Granted, the people of Sodom took this to quite repulsive extremes. But is every person who declares "What is mine is mine and what is yours is yours" a Sodomite? All he's saying is, "I won't touch what is yours, but don't expect me to give you anything."

To the Jew, such fairness is the essence of evil.

Jefferson · 05-31-2006, 08:46 AM

Yeah, the men of Sodom wanted bread & soup!

So when the men of Sodom said, in Hebrew, "We want some bread and soup" it was accidentally translated into English as, "We want to have homosexual sex with the men you have in your house!"

Gotcha! Easy slip-up and textual variance. Could happen to anyone.

alias · 05-31-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

You poor little dimwit.
I'm not the one who professes to follow the Bible.
YOU are.

I think the Bible is full of outdated ideals which need to be acknowledged for how backwards they are. Some ideals are decent. Some are ridiculously thrown to the "good" side that they're unrealistic.

But your response basically demonstrates that you're not going to follow you're bible, but you are going to point out how other people aren't following your bible either??? And those "other people" aren't even trying to follow your religion...

Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
Why should I follow your religion when YOU don't even follow your religion???

ROFLMAO!
So you demand that I follow MORE of your bible verses which YOU clearly reject, judging from your actions???

You remind me of a bumper sticker...
"Christians aren't perfect. They just want you to be..."

Where did I profess on this forum that I "followed" the bible? You are using the bible as a weapon because you are throwing your typical hissy fit when you run out of talking points you nasty little pervert.

foundit66 · 05-31-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by alias

Where did I profess on this forum that I "followed" the bible?

Simple question then alias.
Are you a Christian?
Yes or no.

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Originally Posted by alias

You are using the bible as a weapon because you are throwing your typical hissy fit when you run out of talking points you nasty little pervert.

I'm not using it as a "weapon" at all.
Once again, you misrepresent COMPLETELY what I was saying...

alias · 05-31-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Simple question then alias.
Are you a Christian?
Yes or no.

I'm not using it as a "weapon" at all.
Once again, you misrepresent COMPLETELY what I was saying...

You are the one claiming I said I was a Christian, not me. You either back it up by showing us the post or admit you were lying. I said I know the bible. Entirely 2 different things.

And once again, your bias and hatred has led you to misrepresent me. See, you're no better than anyone else are you.

foundit66 · 05-31-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

You are the one claiming I said I was a Christian, not me. You either back it up by showing us the post or admit you were lying. I said I know the bible. Entirely 2 different things.

Answer the simple question alias.

Are you Christian?
yes or no...

Settle this once and for all...

Mat 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Mat 26:35 Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.

alias · 05-31-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Answer the simple question alias.

Are you Christian?
yes or no...

Settle this once and for all...

Mat 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Mat 26:35 Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.

I believe Jesus if that is what you are getting at. I don't attend a church. Now preach to me about Jesus. I love when unbelievers preach to believers. Hilarious. It's like donkey trying to speak English.

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