Actually, I was very happy about your response.

It gave me the opportunity to give a succinct reply and not have yet another thread drone on and on and on...

Your reply proved my point.
Why wouldn't that make me happy?

Kinda hard to tell if your happy with your little devil face glaring at me at the end of your message.

This is a different subject than Clinton and Kosovo, but entirely related to Republican hypocrisy, so I'll post it here anyways...


In 1992, the United States Secretary of Defense during the (Gulf) war, Dick Cheney, made the same point:

I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home.

And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don't think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties, and while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the (1991) conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn't a cheap war.

And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is, not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the President made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.[15]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

He's right. 2500 casualties so far is pretty low for an invasion of a country and takeover. 3 years of war and 2500 casualities? Very very low. How many died in Viet Nam during 3 years of war. How many died in Korea after 3 years of war. WWII? WWII. He's right.

We are just saving more people than before because of medical advancement. Nearly 20,000 troops have been injured, often in life altering ways.

You say "He's right"...
Do you even comprehend what he was saying in the first place???

Let me repeat it for you...

"And the question in my mind is, how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is, not that damned many."

He's saying that Saddam Hussein IS NOT WORTH "that damned many" more American casualties.

If I'm going to buy a car for $X amount of money, and the dealer asks me how many more dollars I think a CD player added would be worth, and I say "not that damned many", I am establishing that the CD player is not worth much more money...

Certainly not SEVENTEEN TIMES the $X price-tag.
Because that 2,500 you talk about is SEVENTEEN TIMES more deaths than the 146 deaths he was talking about there.

Do you think increasing the amount of deaths by 1600% would be acceptable to "him" considering how he spoke here???

Why don't you ask him? His statement came before 09/11 and the war on terror began. Like they say, 09/11 changed everything. Obviously, he did change his mind. Dems change their mind all the time. Kerry changed his mind every day during the campaign, why can't Cheney change his mind afte r09/11?

Ahh yes. Blind adherance to pithy catch phrases, without any regards to a potential for intelligence...

Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11.
Hussein didn't attack us on 9/11.

The only thing that "changed" is that some people were more easily fooled because they were more scared...


What changed in the CIRCUMSTANCES OF IRAQ after 9/11?

Like many Republicans, you're using the excuse of AL QAEDA to attack a group that IS NOT al qaeda...

Blind adherance to pithy catch phrases, without any regards to a potential for intelligence...

09/11 did change everything. I heard the president say it was a war on terror.

Saddam was supporting terrorism and funding it and scamming with the oil for food program? Removing Saddam makes tactical sense. Now you have Iran right in the middle of 2 democratic nations, Afghanistan and Iraq. Is it any wonder they are squealing? Saddam was a bad guy. You know that. He never signed a peace treaty, only agreed to a cease fire which he violated day after day for years. Give me a break man. I thought you were more intelligent than that.

Dude if you think afghanistan and iraq are anywhere close to democracy you are majorly off course.

In fact the Iraq invasion has STRENGTHENED Iran for the following reasons:

1) Iran now has FAR more influence in Iraq. Prior to the US invasion, Iran could do nothing inthe area. Now because of the Shiite majority, the ayatollah gives an order, and it's immediately followed by the iraqis.

2) Iran now no longer has to worry about fighting Iraq. There is so much internal strife int he country, that there is no way Iraq poses a military threat any more.

3) As a result of an ill-conceived invasion plan, the US forces are stretched thin at the moment. Even if the US wanted to INVADE iran, they would not be able to. How can any country carry on 3 simultaneous wars with 3 different nations?

4) The Iraq war has pushed up the price of oil in the world, which indirectly increases the income of Iran, which gains a LOT from higher oil prices.

5) Iran is in no way boxed in by anybody. While the US may feel that the Iraqis and Aghanis are their allies, i can guarantee that public opinion in the two countries is definately in FAVOUR of iran. I can bet you anything that the populations ( as opposed to the puppet regimes) of these two countries would side with IRan in a SECOND if it came down to a choice.

6) Due to general antipathy towards the US as a result of skewed foreign policy, most other nations in the world would rather support Iran than the US. Not because there is any great love for Ahmedinejad. But because no other country can feel safe from invasion. I mean US foreign policy is not exactly consistent ( depose dictator of Iraq while supporting dictator of Saudi Arabia ). This is not a matter of hating the US. this is a matter of self preservation of sovreignty. If the US can decide to invade whenever it feels like it, how can any nation be sure it's not next. I know that there are serious fears in Pakistan that the US will invade us before long.

Anyhow this is how it looks to me. But maybe that's cuz i'm one of those evil muslims... who knows