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Old 06-10-2006, 10:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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That is not proof that these documents are authentic. It says they are like other documents known to be genuine. It leaves other possibilities open and I believe that leaves reasonable doubt as to their origin.
Yes, that is possible. It is also possible they are real isn't it? yes.
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Old 06-10-2006, 11:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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LOL. Do what you like. You're a joke. I don't have to give you shit. Jehovah's witnesses are believers and they don't call themselves Christians. Do you want to argue with them also?
All I did was ask you some simple questions about your beliefs.
That's it. Just some simple questions about your beliefs.
For Christians I have known personally, I have NEVER known one to shy away from sharing their beliefs with me when I asked. Even when they knew that I was a skeptic and did not believe, they spoke about their religious beliefs openly.

You won't even say whether or not you consider yourself a Christian. You have done your best to try and hide your religious beliefs, like you're ashamed of them.

You are incredibly self-conscious of your religious beliefs. I mean, I'm an OUT gay man, but you are incredibly CLOSETTED about your religious beliefs.
Kind of an interesting twist of events, eh?
Somehow, I think the irony will be completely lost on you...
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Exclusive: Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties
By Scott Wheeler
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 04, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans. They demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.
First off, the summer of 2000 is not during our invasion as you have previously stated as the facts.
Second of all, you are quoting an article written at a time when the media was still lamely attempting to relay Bush's contention that there were still weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and a time when every article written in Iraq went through Psyc-Ops, which have admitted planting 'positive stories'. Even Bush has since rescinded and stated there were no WMD in Iraq found.
Additionally, this is not proof of your suicide belts. It is proof you believe what ever you are told by our government and then twist what they say for your own purpose. Kind of funny how the memo's are unsupportable but were clearly found by U.S. forces(does this leave room for the possibility of forgeries? Yes).
I suppose with every spy satellite we have, looking down at Iraq at that time, we should know exactly where these gasses went. We don't, why is that, or atleast why were their whereabouts never mentioned again by the media?
Your proof is a set of memos, that would not stand up to scrutiny in a court of law, here in the U.S. and would be called hearsay evidence. Really in the end this must be our deciding factor concerning any evidence because the actions we used against Iraq were criminal. The memos are not worth the paper they are written on, Unless you believe everything you are told by our Government or feel a need to ease your guilt for sticking up for a bunch of self-centered, greedy murderers!!!! I notice your reluctance to address our use of Dirty-bombs. I am sure you will atleast find other justification, in your own mind, for our criminal actions.
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All I did was ask you some simple questions about your beliefs.
That's it. Just some simple questions about your beliefs.
For Christians I have known personally, I have NEVER known one to shy away from sharing their beliefs with me when I asked. Even when they knew that I was a skeptic and did not believe, they spoke about their religious beliefs openly.

You won't even say whether or not you consider yourself a Christian. You have done your best to try and hide your religious beliefs, like you're ashamed of them.

You are incredibly self-conscious of your religious beliefs. I mean, I'm an OUT gay man, but you are incredibly CLOSETTED about your religious beliefs.
Kind of an interesting twist of events, eh?
Somehow, I think the irony will be completely lost on you...
My religious beliefs are my business. I will not let you use them for ammunition. I'm on to your tactics.
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First off, the summer of 2000 is not during our invasion as you have previously stated as the facts.
Second of all, you are quoting an article written at a time when the media was still lamely attempting to relay Bush's contention that there were still weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and a time when every article written in Iraq went through Psyc-Ops, which have admitted planting 'positive stories'. Even Bush has since rescinded and stated there were no WMD in Iraq found.
Additionally, this is not proof of your suicide belts. It is proof you believe what ever you are told by our government and then twist what they say for your own purpose. Kind of funny how the memo's are unsupportable but were clearly found by U.S. forces(does this leave room for the possibility of forgeries? Yes).
I suppose with every spy satellite we have, looking down at Iraq at that time, we should know exactly where these gasses went. We don't, why is that, or atleast why were their whereabouts never mentioned again by the media?
Your proof is a set of memos, that would not stand up to scrutiny in a court of law, here in the U.S. and would be called hearsay evidence. Really in the end this must be our deciding factor concerning any evidence because the actions we used against Iraq were criminal. The memos are not worth the paper they are written on, Unless you believe everything you are told by our Government or feel a need to ease your guilt for sticking up for a bunch of self-centered, greedy murderers!!!! I notice your reluctance to address our use of Dirty-bombs. I am sure you will atleast find other justification, in your own mind, for our criminal actions.
You're refining your point. You said Iraq had no connection to terrorists and the article says they did. Looks like no matter what new releases or whatever to show a point, all a liberal has to do is say that the government could have forged those or something like that. That's a cop out. Prove they are forgeries. If the government says that they are true, then back up your statements the government is lying. I'm not gonna take your word for it. You're making the charge our soldiers are lying, now back it up or else your a liar.

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Old 06-11-2006, 02:10 PM   #26 (permalink)
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A senior government official who is not a political appointee provided CNSNews.com with copies of the 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service documents. The originals, some of which were hand-written and others typed, are in Arabic. CNSNews.com had the papers translated into English by two individuals separately and independent of each other.

There are no hand-writing samples to which the documents can be compared for forensic analysis and authentication. However, three other experts - a former weapons inspector with the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), a retired CIA counter-terrorism official with vast experience dealing with Iraq, and a former advisor to then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton on Iraq - were asked to analyze the documents. All said they comport with the format, style and content of other Iraqi documents from that era known to be genuine.
Seems that you are the one who needs to provide proof. It says right here that the documents can not be authenticated(in your own post). So our government has said it can't prove they are true. Or is this just something you have conveniently omitted(which makes you the liar). I asked for proof of the suicide belts you claim were found during our invasion, and you post this article about memos. Your lack of an answer to this question about the suicide belts really make you the one that is 'refining your post', not to mention trying to change the subject. Suddenly you are only concerned with my points rather than your own. I also notice you still haven't attempted to justify our attack with dirty bombs. The UN has deemed these weapons to be Weapons of Mass Destruction. This makes our actions what, justified? I don't think so. We are not only guilty of crimes against humanity but also of crimes against our earth. This is a direct attack on our ecology and us all, You and I included!!!!!
Now instead of attacking my points why don't you try explaining you lack of providing proof for your own words.
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My religious beliefs are my business. I will not let you use them for ammunition. I'm on to your tactics.
And so you retreat to your closet.
Lacking the confidence in your religious convictions, when all I REALLY did was ask you about your religious beliefs...

I am here and proud to say that I am gay.
Alias is here, and he isn't confident enough to tell you squat about his religious beliefs.

The funny thing is that I stated that I am gay, and you HAVE TRIED to mock me based on that admission.
Furthermore, I was not planning on using your religious beliefs as "ammunition" for anything. But you're SOOOOO scared that somebody might...

There's an irony here that I don't think you can get...
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You're making the charge our soldiers are lying, now back it up or else your a liar.
Just for the record, I think our troops are the only innocent ones in this whole deal. I respect and care about them and thier plight. They are doing what they are told to do. They are actually getting sick from our practices of war(shooting dirty bombs). Now, just for argument sake, If I am correct about our government's motives and intents, am I not speaking up for the troops? They are unable to speak up for themselves due to the rules they are force to live with.
As for their orders, are they being told to do correct and honorable things? I don't think so.
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And so you retreat to your closet.
Lacking the confidence in your religious convictions, when all I REALLY did was ask you about your religious beliefs...

I am here and proud to say that I am gay.
Alias is here, and he isn't confident enough to tell you squat about his religious beliefs.

The funny thing is that I stated that I am gay, and you HAVE TRIED to mock me based on that admission.
Furthermore, I was not planning on using your religious beliefs as "ammunition" for anything. But you're SOOOOO scared that somebody might...

There's an irony here that I don't think you can get...
I'm glad you're proud of your sexual functions. I'm not proud of my religious beliefs as there is nothing to be proud of. They are personal.

Fair enough. I will not mock your sexual preference. Is that fair?
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Yes, that is possible. It is also possible they are real isn't it? yes.
Yes, that it could be true is also a possibility.
Does this not make using these memos as undisputible proof, of our right to invade Iraq, incorrect?
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