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Old 06-09-2006, 05:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lies are just *well-intentioned*
Karl Zinsmeister

Say hello to George W. Bush's new domestic policy adviser Karl Zinsmeister, who's only been on the job for five minutes and is already up to his neck in it. The Zpinmeister admitted last week that he "did something wrong when he took a newspaper profile of himself, altered quotes and text, and then posted it on a Web site without noting the changes," according to the Washington Post.

Back in 2004, the Zpinmeister was interviewed by the Syracuse New Times and said, "People in Washington are morally repugnant, cheating, shifty human beings." When the article was reprinted on the American Enterprise Institute's website, the quote read as follows: "I learned in Washington that there is an 'overclass' in this country stocked with cheating, shifty human beings that's just as morally repugnant as our 'underclass.'" How did that happen? Possibly because Karl Zinmeister was, at the time, the editor of the American Enterprise Institute's magazine.

The Zpinmeister made several other edits to the original article where he felt that there had been "misunderstandings or truncated notes" - but accidentally forgot to note the changes on the AEI website. How absent-minded of him.

Don't worry though - as usual, this lack of integrity was once again brushed aside by the White House - according to the Post, press secretary Tony Snow said that "Zinsmeister erred in making the changes, but he was well-intentioned." Oh really, Tony? How so? "This was done not out of animosity; it was an attempt to set the record straight and he did it in an unartful way," clarified Snowjob.

So I guess this is just item 127,846 on the Bush administration's list of "unartful but well-intentioned" errors.

One last thing: Back in 2003 Karl Zinsmeister wrote in the National Review, "many of the journalists observable in this (Iraq) war theater are bursting with knee-jerk suspicions and antagonisms for the warriors all around them. A significant number are whiny and appallingly soft. … I almost wished there would be a very loud explosion very nearby just to shut up their rattling."

Looks like Zinsmeister has been getting his wish. The recent deaths of two CBS journalists in Iraq brings the total number of journalists killed in that conflict up to 71, which is two higher than the number of journalists that were killed in all of World War II.
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Old 06-09-2006, 06:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow. That's interesting. Are we supposed to feel something for the reporters that got killed? I don't. They chose to go there.
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Wow. That's interesting. Are we supposed to feel something for the reporters that got killed? I don't. They chose to go there.
That's pretty damn callous of you...
I suppose the soldiers who die in Iraq have a similar lack of sentiment from you?
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That's pretty damn callous of you...
I suppose the soldiers who die in Iraq have a similar lack of sentiment from you?
Nope. The soldiers are heroes who are sent there to fight a viscious enemy for our nation. The reporters are choosing to go there. There are a few objective reporters, but for the most part they are there to find every little thing the soldiers do wrong. That wasn't how it was during WWII. Everyone supported the war effort after Pearl Harbor. We had a worse attack on 09/11, yet most of the media is doing all it can to undermine our effort and find every little thing wrong our soldiers do to hurt their morale and make us lose the war. Admit it, you want the USA to lose this war don't you?

And before you do saying the Iraqis didn't attack us, let me remind you the Germans never attacked us either but we went to war against them to stop their aggression. Germany and Japan were allies. The terrorists all have one thing in common, they want to kill Americans. That makes them my enemy.
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Nope. The soldiers are heroes who are sent there to fight a viscious enemy for our nation. The reporters are choosing to go there.
The soldiers chose to enlist or commission. They "chose" to go there as well, and they could choose to not go there as well.


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There are a few objective reporters, but for the most part they are there to find every little thing the soldiers do wrong.
So your lack of empathy is actually a callousness towards their perceived impact upon the soldiers, isn't it.
And those reporters who report kindly of the soldiers? I suppose those you have some pity for when they die, eh?

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Admit it, you want the USA to lose this war don't you?
You just can't see anything but partisanship and hatred, can you.
No. I don't want the USA to "lose" this war.
But then again, I thought Bush had already claimed we "won" it...


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And before you do saying the Iraqis didn't attack us, let me remind you the Germans never attacked us either but we went to war against them to stop their aggression.
Like I pointed out earlier, WHERE is the Iraqi aggression?
We're going after them for offenses that were committed ALMOST A DECADE ago.

The cost is WAYYYY too high.


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Germany and Japan were allies. The terrorists all have one thing in common, they want to kill Americans. That makes them my enemy.
And how many Iraqis over there have tried to kill Americans?
How many Iraqis over there haven't had an opportunity to kill Americans until we sent them over there?
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The soldiers chose to enlist or commission. They "chose" to go there as well, and they could choose to not go there as well.



So your lack of empathy is actually a callousness towards their perceived impact upon the soldiers, isn't it.
And those reporters who report kindly of the soldiers? I suppose those you have some pity for when they die, eh?

partisan to the bitter end.



You just can't see anything but partisanship and hatred, can you.
No. I don't want the USA to "lose" this war.
But then again, I thought Bush had already claimed we "won" it...



Like I pointed out earlier, WHERE is the Iraqi aggression?
We're going after them for offenses that were committed ALMOST A DECADE ago.

The cost is WAYYYY too high.



And how many Iraqis over there have tried to kill Americans?
How many Iraqis over there haven't had an opportunity to kill Americans until we sent them over there?

Do you want the USA to win the war or not? Do you just want us to get out and let happen whatever happens? Explain to me what your goal is in Iraq so I know where you stand.

Where was the German aggression against the USA? The Germans never bombed us or attacked us? Why did we fight them?
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Many reporters are my heroes. They inform people about what's happening in the world. Without them, democracy could not function. They are at the very least, just as valuable as any soldier. Canadian journalist Irshad Manji, and New York Times op ed writer Thomas L. Freidman are simply amazing. I have a great deal of respect for the institution of journalism in America. Our varied viewpoints are part of what makes America so special.
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Do you want the USA to win the war or not? Do you just want us to get out and let happen whatever happens? Explain to me what your goal is in Iraq so I know where you stand.
It's funny how you insist on your own questions be answered as you avoid answering other people's questions.
I've asked you REPEATEDLY the following simple questions, and you've avoided them repeatedly.

Alias, do you believe in Christ?
Do you believe in him as your Lord and Savior?

Do you ask forgiveness from him for your sins?

And how many questions did you just ask me in this post. When you whine and stamp your feet over and over again that you want me to limit myself to one question or issue per post?
Yet you hypocritically don't follow your own guideline.
Well, your "one question" for this post is after this.
And before you get your question above answered, your going to have to answer the question you keep cowardly dodging.


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Where was the German aggression against the USA? The Germans never bombed us or attacked us? Why did we fight them?
The Germans were ACTIVELY killing between 9 and 11 million people.
When was the last time Saddam engaged in his atrocities?
How many people did Saddam kill after his "cease fire" in 1991?
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It's funny how you insist on your own questions be answered as you avoid answering other people's questions.
I've asked you REPEATEDLY the following simple questions, and you've avoided them repeatedly.

Alias, do you believe in Christ?
Do you believe in him as your Lord and Savior?

Do you ask forgiveness from him for your sins?

And how many questions did you just ask me in this post. When you whine and stamp your feet over and over again that you want me to limit myself to one question or issue per post?
Yet you hypocritically don't follow your own guideline.
Well, your "one question" for this post is after this.
And before you get your question above answered, your going to have to answer the question you keep cowardly dodging.



The Germans were ACTIVELY killing between 9 and 11 million people.
When was the last time Saddam engaged in his atrocities?
How many people did Saddam kill after his "cease fire" in 1991?
Yeah, I think I asked Jesus to forgive my sins when I was about 9 or 10 and went with my friend to visit his Baptist church. Does that make me a Christian in your eyes? Does that fit your qualifications? Does that put me in your box with your label? I also once visited a Jehovah's Witness church or whatever they call it, a Catholic Church, a Mormon temple. You're really a funny guy. I believe Jesus is God, Lord and Savior, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, The Great Shepherd, The I am, the Almighty, Jehovah, God in the Flesh, The Lamb of God.......

You understand "Christianity" about as well as you understand the Iraq war. You have very limited knowledge and you think you're an expert. Since you like playing with words, I think I'll play the same mind game on you. Tit for tat.

Saddam was actively supporting terrorism and funding it and that kills people. No difference. Saddam killed thousands after the cease fire in 1991. No difference. Talk about hypocrite. I sense a lot of hostility in your messages.

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The reporters are choosing to go there. There are a few objective reporters, but for the most part they are there to find every little thing the soldiers do wrong.
The reporters, over in Iraq are controlled by The U.S. Army and in turn by our Government. Evidently you believe all their twisted facts.
Our Troops are victims of our government also. They are the only heros in this whole thing. Our government uses them for pawns and they do their jobs. It is sad really. Don't believe for a minute that some don't have doubts about the cause of this country.
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And before you do saying the Iraqis didn't attack us, let me remind you the Germans never attacked us either but we went to war against them to stop their aggression. Germany and Japan were allies. The terrorists all have one thing in common, they want to kill Americans. That makes them my enemy.
There is no evidence of Saddam having been linked to Al Quada. Iraqi had nothing to do with terrorists until we went over there making ourselves a target. We went in there and shot off almost 600 tons of denatured uranium in dirty bombs. We killed thousands of Iraqis. We have set up the Iraqis to slowly die off from the uranium. Did we do something as henious to Germany because they were Japan's ally?
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