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Old 06-24-2006, 04:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Left v. Right? Democrat v. Republican?
How do you perceive political questions?

Do you identify yourself with a traditional label (liberal, conservative, libertarian etc)?

Or do you identify yourself somewhere on a left-right spectrum?

With your political identity, do you find that you agree with every idea and solution that comes from your identity? Are you willing to consider ideas from other areas without letting stereotypical propaganda get in the way?

Do you identify the liberal-conservative division in the United States with the two party competition between Republicans and Democrats?

Do you disagree with ideas, not because of their content and purpose, but because of the politcal label of the person who said it or wrote it?

Do you defend bad ideas and/or bad people because of thier political identity?

Is the solution or idea put forward by your politcal identity always the right decision?

These are some questions that I have stemming from a legnthy post that I made yesterday in End of Surburbia, Media::Films. I am very interested to see what people responses are to these questions.
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Old 06-24-2006, 07:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I would consider myself a moderate Republican.

I do not agree with every idea and solution that comes from my identity. Have I ever, yes. I was very close-minded when I first developed this web site. Thanks to all of you, I have been released from my shell and I now have a more open-minded view on issues.

Unfortunately I do tend to make the mistake of identifying the liberal-conservative division in the US with the two parties Republican and Democrat.

Do I disagree with ideas because of someones political label who said it or wrote it? No. And I can see where you're going with this. It seems that in the media these days, we see lots of that going on! Anything proposed by the left is just wrong in the right's view, and the other way around.

I do not defend bad ideas and/or bad people because of thier political identity?

Is the solution or idea put forward by your politcal identity always the right decision?

It's not always the right decision, but because I consider myself a moderate Republican, I tend to agree with a lot of decisions the party goes along with.


Very interesting thread! I would like to see other people's opinions.

How about your answers aMFliberal?
Old 06-25-2006, 10:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm a pretty conservative liberal and I am an independent. I am a liberal in thought and belief, but my personal choices are rather conservative. I do however believe that we should be given those choices rather than have them made for us.
I like a lot of the theories presented by the Green party, but I do think they need to develop a detailed feasible plan of action in solving the environmental issues affecting this country and the world, which would fit in with the ideals of the republican democracy that is the United States of America.
We can all benefit from living a little greener.
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Old 06-25-2006, 11:38 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I would just quote teethandclaws but I think I'm a liberal and a conservative. I think that each train of thought really has some boundaries and I fall very rarely in the middle. I feel that each camp have reprentatives that are too extreme and that a middle ground should be obtainable by all. I think that one of the reasons this can't happen right now is becasue of the assumed political connection. I also believe that there is way to much money to be made in politics through lobbyists and big corporations. This is why I question our government the way it is. Our founding government never meant for big business to have such a big effect on our political process.
I think I am a liberal on issues of human rights, publicly funded education, the ecology and the effects of man on the environment, and government reform.
I think I am a conservative on issues of abortion(I think a woman should only
be allowed an abortion if she is the victim of rape or is at risk of death or injury from giving birth. I am also a consevative on issues of world population(which no one seems willing to address)and the fact that our current population growth is going to start to seriously effect our lives on this planet. I think the first step to proper population control is mandatory education. Because of the growing poulation of our country, I unfortunately have to say, I also feel we may need to someday close our borders to more immigrants.
The few issues I fall in between on are The War in Iraq, Which I feel we were unjust in getting into but I also feel to not see things through is stupid. I do think, now that the country has not elected Bush's puppet government, sorting out Iraqs problems has ground to near a halt. I think that our involvement has not done the Iraqi people any good and we have done more harm than we like to admit. I think that our main mission should be to help Iraq rebuild what we helped destroy. Our use off Dirty weapons was just stupid. Our rush to look good and take over quickly is going to cause health problems for the Iraqi people and our troops for a long time. We need to sweep the whole country and clean up that mess. I think that, at some point, we have to decide if we are still doing more harm than good. I think we need to exit Iraq but we need to do the right things for the Iraqi people before they are willing to help us do away with the terrorists. So many of the Iraqis see us as more of a threat than the terrorists and this is why the insurgence still has a strong foothold on Iraq. I think our biggest problem in this situation is our failure to admit our mistakes and then make them right. I think the G.I.s are a true representation of our sons and daughters and they have my full support. I think they are the true hero's and they are pawns in the board game of power.
I am also in the middle on the death penalty. I think I am in the middle on prison reform.
Do I judge people by their political association? I would say no. I do tend to judge the predictable left and right extremists, which I probably shouldn't.
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I like a lot of the theories presented by the Green party, but I do think they need to develop a detailed feasible plan of action in solving the environmental issues affecting this country and the world,
I'm with you on this one Darlin'.
I also think our entire country should vote on converting to run off voting. I think that a multiple party system may only take place by dismantling our current parties but I think Americans are not stupid and the only two choices are not enough for everyone. I think our government needs revamping through legal means and that the people are not truly represented in their choices.
I do think I'm too judgemental of other's politics and this does effect my responses.
My solution is only usually an opinion and really isn't usually politically influenced but I can't say if it is the right decision. I think any idea, concerning government, can always use fine tuning, and should be something the majority can agree on.
Ok. I hope that covered it all.
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There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville

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Old 06-26-2006, 09:49 AM   #5 (permalink)
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How do you perceive political questions?
There is not one right answer, if a right answer even exists. Solutions will always be debatable and it ultimately rests on compromise between political power. A political question often involves so many factors to the point where a solution is necessarily going to negatively affect one or more of those factors. What a person decides to support is ultimately which factors they feel need to be affected postively and which factors will have to suffer the unfortunate.


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Do you identify yourself with a traditional label (liberal, conservative, libertarian etc)?
When I first got into politics, I believed everything I heard and it was just after the 2000 election. So you can understand where I fell. The more I learned, I realized that was not what I believed at all and I was hasty to apply "liberal" to myself. Now, I can't really say. To be honest, I don't really know and I don't think it matters.

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Or do you identify yourself somewhere on a left-right spectrum?
I don't know. I suppose I do. I think good ideas come from all sides, but does that make me a moderate? I still don't think I've been studying politics long enough to figure it out.

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With your political identity, do you find that you agree with every idea and solution that comes from your identity? Are you willing to consider ideas from other areas without letting stereotypical propaganda get in the way?
Whatever my identity is, real or assumed, I am sure that I would not agree with every idea and solution that comes from it. I am of the opinion that considering all ideas will ultimately result in the culmination of one idea that everyone can agree on, which I think is best for all, so my answer is no to the second question.

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Do you identify the liberal-conservative division in the United States with the two party competition between Republicans and Democrats?
No, I believe the divisiveness between liberals-conservatives and Democrats-Republicans is hurting the flow of good ideas.

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Do you disagree with ideas, not because of their content and purpose, but because of the politcal label of the person who said it or wrote it?
I have been guilty of this many times but this year at school I was exposed for the first time, outside of my father, to what I regretably call "intelligent conservatism". I mean this only in the sense that my understanding of conservatism was too highly based off of anti-Bush statements and anti-Republicanism. I believed the propaganda about conservatives. Realizing there are able and apt intellectuals on all sides of the political spectrum made me realize that there are worthwhile and pertinent ideas and solutions coming from all sides. They need to be considered fairly instead of written off with propagandous cries.

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Do you defend bad ideas and/or bad people because of thier political identity?
No, but I personally feel that many are guilty of this - whether they know it or not. I feel that the greatest cause for this sort of thing happening is the divisiveness or polarization that has forced people to stand unquestionably by their political identities and refuse to believe that any other political identity has a better solution.

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Is the solution or idea put forward by your politcal identity always the right decision?
I guess I basically already asked the same question, but once again, whatever my identity is, real or assumed, the answer is no.
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Old 06-26-2006, 11:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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How do you perceive political questions?
Unlike aMFLiberal, I think there is always one correct answer, though reasoning out that correct answer can be more difficult for some questions than others.

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Do you identify yourself with a traditional label (liberal, conservative, libertarian etc)?

Or do you identify yourself somewhere on a left-right spectrum?
I call myself a liberal-libertarian.

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With your political identity, do you find that you agree with every idea and solution that comes from your identity? Are you willing to consider ideas from other areas without letting stereotypical propaganda get in the way?
The ideas that come from liberals and libertarians are often wrong, and I avoid allowing someone else's beliefs to influence my own. Each idea can only be understood as an on its own, not as part of some ideology.

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Do you identify the liberal-conservative division in the United States with the two party competition between Republicans and Democrats?
Yes.

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Do you disagree with ideas, not because of their content and purpose, but because of the politcal label of the person who said it or wrote it?
No. Most of the time I do not even know who said or wrote an idea.

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Do you defend bad ideas and/or bad people because of thier political identity?
No, however sometimes an individual holds a few bad ideas, but I still agree with that person most of the time. In this case, I will defend that person despite that person having a few bad ideas.

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Is the solution or idea put forward by your politcal identity always the right decision?
No.

I hope I was not too brief.
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I call myself a psychobilly conservative or hellbilly conservtive. I can't explain my views in one message. I love America.
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You don't have to. Just answer the individual questions as they are. You've only answered one so far. I'm not asking you to explain all of your views, just the questions as they are posed. It might be easiest to do it the way Jaxian and myself did.
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Can you answer the questions alias? Will you?
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How do you perceive political questions?

Do you identify yourself with a traditional label (liberal, conservative, libertarian etc)?

Or do you identify yourself somewhere on a left-right spectrum?

With your political identity, do you find that you agree with every idea and solution that comes from your identity? Are you willing to consider ideas from other areas without letting stereotypical propaganda get in the way?

Do you identify the liberal-conservative division in the United States with the two party competition between Republicans and Democrats?

Do you disagree with ideas, not because of their content and purpose, but because of the politcal label of the person who said it or wrote it?

Do you defend bad ideas and/or bad people because of thier political identity?

Is the solution or idea put forward by your politcal identity always the right decision?

These are some questions that I have stemming from a legnthy post that I made yesterday in End of Surburbia, Media::Films. I am very interested to see what people responses are to these questions.
1. Conservative.

2. I consider all views.

3. Yes.

4. I disagree with ideas if a liberal has it. Liberals disgust me. I like some democrats, the ones who put America first instead of politics like Lieberman and Zell Miller. No wonder the liberals are trying to get rid of Lieberman.

5. No. Those on my side are wrong a lot. They spend way too much money lately and are not doing enough about the border and not killing enough terrorists.

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