Veterans of America Feel the Limitations of Free Speech - Page 2

Katczinsky · 07-06-2006, 10:14 AM

Ah yes, of coarse. When ever faced with something that's damaging to your arguement, its just a "lie". Oh because how could the all-knowing Jefferson be wrong? It's just not possible!

Jefferson · 07-06-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Ah yes, of coarse. When ever faced with something that's damaging to your arguement, its just a "lie". Oh because how could the all-knowing Jefferson be wrong? It's just not possible!

Why not just answer the question? WHY WAS THE GUY IN THE VA MEDICAL CENTER?

I've been to VA Hospitals, many times, for my job. Believe me, NOBODY goes there just to have a nice cup of coffee.

WHY WAS THE GUY IN THE VA MEDICAL CENTER?

Can you NOT smell manure here?

alias · 07-06-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Alias, you have it wrong. Kids are perfectly fine and are allowed to wear religious based shirts. Otherwise would be a violation upon their freedom of expression (unless of coarse the banning of such shirts is imparitive to the bahavior and functionality of the school, and then the school is given the right to ban such things; hence uniforms and such). Its just when the school puts up pictures of Jesus or crosses is when it is violating the sepeartion of church and state. It is only when the public school is sponsering religious favoritism. When I was young and when I was a 'good little Christian' I wore my Lutheran shirts to school all the time, and in fact got compliments from the school administration.

But the Veteran wearing his shirt wasn't even protesting in the first place. He was simply wearing a shirt. But even if he was protesting, he is still granted that freedom and right. It just shows who really supports our troops when you condone the arresting of our veterans who are exercising their rights which they put their lives on the line to protect. Foundit is right when he says the hypocrisy is just amazing with some people.

Strange, but for some odd reason I can't find a clause in the American Constitution saying what you just said explaining why kids in school can't wear crosses or pictures of Jesus because it favors one religion over another. That must be what some people in black robes dreamed up. I think it's a bogus reason. According to what I read in the constitution, it says "CONGRESS cannot prohibit the free exercise thereof". But I guess the supreme court can if they say so which is bogus in my humble opinion.

Would it be okay for you if a muslim girl wore a scarf over her face in school?

foundit66 · 07-06-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

You sure jump to conclusions and make an ass of yourself with your ASSumptions.
I asked a question. Why not answer it?

It's patently HILARIOUS how people who typically hide from most simple questions will try to hold other people's feet to the fire for not answering theirs.

Your question is irrelevant. Schools are not a "free speech" zone.
School children do not have recognized first amendment rights.
A school's purpose is to teach. Anything that is disruptive to that teaching may be banned.

In other words, apples and oranges.
It's like saying "I can put up a billboard advertising for Bush, so why can't I paint on my neighbor's garage doing the same thing?"

I don't know if a student could walk into a school wearing that t-shirt, nor do I care. It's just not relevant. It's an entirely separate issue, invoking COMPLETELY NEW issues which are not present for this veteran...

But on another note, are you saying that you agree that this veteran experienced an unjustified restriction of free speech?

foundit66 · 07-06-2006, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

So... if this guy is NOT protesting, and is NOT at the VA Medical Center for some sort of treatment, WHY IS HE THERE?
NOBODY goes to VA Medical Centers to sit alone and have a "cup of coffee".

He could have been there visiting a friend.
He could have been there because other vets go there to socialize over a "cup of coffee".

There are a variety of reasons why this guy could have been there. And NONE of them are relevant.

Are you saying that he needed to have an appointment at the clinic in order to have freedom of speech???

foundit66 · 07-06-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Strange, but for some odd reason I can't find a clause in the American Constitution saying what you just said explaining why kids in school can't wear crosses or pictures of Jesus because it favors one religion over another.

Cut the BULLSPIT and the LIES alias.

SHOW AN EXAMPLE of what you describe, or stop complaining about your fantasies.

Separation of church and state is typically applied to SCHOOL OFFICIALS and their actions regarding the kids...

The jewelry and clothing of school children is typically exempt.

Put up or shut up byatch!

alias · 07-06-2006, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Cut the BULLSPIT and the LIES alias.

SHOW AN EXAMPLE of what you describe, or stop complaining about your fantasies.

Separation of church and state is typically applied to SCHOOL OFFICIALS and their actions regarding the kids...

The jewelry and clothing of school children is typically exempt.

Put up or shut up byatch!

Here ya go faggot:

WASHINGTON, DC -- A threat by an Alabama school to discipline an 11-year-old girl for wearing a cross necklace shows why you can't trust government schools to protect religious freedom, the Libertarian Party said today.

"Students go to school to learn -- but what kind of lesson do they learn when the government says that wearing a cross is a crime?" asked Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "It seems the lesson of the day in Alabama is Religious Intolerance 101."

Earlier this month, attorneys for Kandice Smith, a sixth-grader at Curry Middle School in Walker County, Alabama, filed a lawsuit in federal court to overturn what they called an "unconstitutional" dress code.

http://tinyurl.com/ec8dq

alias · 07-06-2006, 02:54 PM

And here is a clear example of preferring one religion over another. Why is there no liberal outrage at this clear example? There is no outrage because they don't really care about a religion in school, they care about Christians expressing their belief in school. It is Christianity that is their enemy, not other religions.

Sikh bracelets, but no Christian rings at school bans pupils from wearing 'purity rings'

A group of teenage Christians have been banned by a secondary school from wearing "purity rings" as a symbol of their religious belief in chastity until marriage.

At least one of the dozen pupils, who all attend the same girls' comprehensive in Horsham, West Sussex, is considering legal action against the Millais School for "a breach of human rights".

Although the school allows Muslim and Sikh pupils to wear headscarves or kara bracelets as a means of religious expression, the purity ring - a small band of silver engraved with a Biblical verse and worn as a declaration of abstinence from sexual relations - is not allowed because it is considered to be jewellery.

http://tinyurl.com/ewad4

foundit66 · 07-06-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Here ya go faggot:

WASHINGTON, DC -- A threat by an Alabama school to discipline an 11-year-old girl for wearing a cross necklace shows why you can't trust government schools to protect religious freedom, the Libertarian Party said today.

"Students go to school to learn -- but what kind of lesson do they learn when the government says that wearing a cross is a crime?" asked Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "It seems the lesson of the day in Alabama is Religious Intolerance 101."

Earlier this month, attorneys for Kandice Smith, a sixth-grader at Curry Middle School in Walker County, Alabama, filed a lawsuit in federal court to overturn what they called an "unconstitutional" dress code.

http://tinyurl.com/ec8dq

1) You'll note that it's the SCHOOL taking this action.
NOT the ACLU.
NOT the courts of the government.
The SCHOOL is doing this.
Hopefully the courts put some sense into the school administrators.

2) You'll also note that the point of the school policy IS NOT directed at religion, but rather directed against GANG activity.
And like many "good" Christians, they want to be exempt from the law...

foundit66 · 07-06-2006, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

And here is a clear example of preferring one religion over another. Why is there no liberal outrage at this clear example? There is no outrage because they don't really care about a religion in school, they care about Christians expressing their belief in school. It is Christianity that is their enemy, not other religions.

Sikh bracelets, but no Christian rings at school bans pupils from wearing 'purity rings'

A group of teenage Christians have been banned by a secondary school from wearing "purity rings" as a symbol of their religious belief in chastity until marriage.

At least one of the dozen pupils, who all attend the same girls' comprehensive in Horsham, West Sussex, is considering legal action against the Millais School for "a breach of human rights".

Although the school allows Muslim and Sikh pupils to wear headscarves or kara bracelets as a means of religious expression, the purity ring - a small band of silver engraved with a Biblical verse and worn as a declaration of abstinence from sexual relations - is not allowed because it is considered to be jewellery.

http://tinyurl.com/ewad4

The dress code is regarding JEWELRY.
"...the uniform dress code stipulates that no jewellery is to be worn, other than a small pair of ear studs."

I'ld be curious as to how the "kara bracelets" don't qualify, and to that end you would probably have a legitimate gripe.

But to me, the solution is simple.
Put the symbol on a scarf or a bracelet and the situation is solved.

The discrimination is against JEWELRY here.
It seems that not only is there a "race card", but also a "religion card" by which Christians claim unrelated issues are based on religious discrimination...

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