How could you possibly be so thick? Are you just in actuality mentally retarded or do you just not read my posts? Please tell me, because if you're mentally retarded then I understand perfectly and its not your fault. PLEASE, I can't debate with people who disregard what other people actually say.

It might help to notice that I never attempted to justify "why kids can't wear religious shirts". In fact, I had defended their rights to wear such things. But of coarse you don't see that because "liberals defending Christianity" is just not possible! I seriously think you just hear what you want to, alias. You would also notice that I stated that it is only wrong if the school, meaning the state, sponsered putting up religious pictures and symbols on school property. That would be a violation of the seperation of church and state. A child may wear religious clothing as much as they want if it does not violate the dress code. Which, the Supreme Court has given schools the right to impose such dress codes if it is imparative to the functionality and behavior of the school. Now in these examples that you gave, by all means file it to the courts if the banning of such things isn't imparative to the functionality of the schools. I like how you assume that I'm this godless commie that wants to abolish Christianity. You couldn't be more wrong.

And even so, what are you and Jefferson getting at here? What does it matter? How does this in any way, justify the blatant violation of this veteran's right to free speech?

It's the old diverting attention routine.

Take a look at a variety of the threads that alias posts on.
He typically takes the topic away from its ORIGINAL focus and turns it around to something completely unrelated whenever he feels he can't address the points raised...

When I was in High School many kids wore shirts that said "I love Jesus" or something similar. I was also the president of the bible club and we held events on campus all the time. I can personally say that in liberal california, I have known no one who has been punished by any school for expressing their christian belief. Please note that I am not claiming that it has never happened, just stating my personal experience.

You said show me an example and I did. Why is the Sikh girl allowed to wear jewelry and the Christian isn't if it's about jewelry?

Actually, ALL of the possible reasons he was there are COMPLETELY relevant!

IT IS MY OPINION (note that) that this guy went there for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of provoking some sort of reaction. In fact, it is my opinion that he walked around, sat around and did whatever was necessary - for as long as necessary - to provoke a reaction. Why? HE WANTED A STORY!

In the VA hospitals I've been to, you see people dressed in any and every kind of attire. Some are hippies with their tie-dyed shirts, etc. It's not a problem.

Personally, I believe this guy - the writer of the original article - is chock full of crap, and being completely dishonest.



...and by the way, if you were at all familiar with hospitals, you would know that people are NOT allowed to go there and just hang around all day. People are no longer allowed to just meander from place to place, room to room, etc. in hospitals - especially VA hospitals. It's partly due to the new HIPA Laws.

If a person is deemed a nuisance, they WILL eventually be removed from a hospital.

Even if he was there all day and they had reserved the right to kick him out; that doesn't leave any excuse for arresting the man. I find it ironic that with all of Jefferson's and Alias' ranting about honoring our troops and veterans, they would be so quick as to call a war veteran a liar, simply because he is for peace. It seems as if they only back the troops that agree with their political views: figures. I bet if this man wore a Jesus shirt and they arrested him, Jefferson and Alias would be up in arms.

I saw an interview of this man on Democracy Now, an independent news show. By all means this man was truthful.

Again, my point which I have expressed still stands. When faced with something that puts their preconcieved notions to shame, its a "lie", or "the source isn't reliable." They'll complain when a liberal links to an editorial or a blog: but they're more than happy to quote them if they're conservative. Any blog is just as unreliable whether its conservative or liberal.

I mean, seriously, Jefferson, you have nothing to hide! Why don't you stand up for our freedoms and our rights when they are being blatently violated? Why do you not protest when our veterans are treated like trash, and our veterans are denied the rights which they have put their lives on the line to protect? Why arn't you up in arms when our government signs away our rights and privacy in the name of "security"? Here I thought conservatives were supposed to be for small government.

So you saw the guy on a show - the blatantly biased "democracynow" - and he said he was honest, so he's honest.

Yep. Uhh Huhh. And I've got some bridges I'd like to sell you.



I am NOT supporting the guy being arrested.

I AM QUESTIONING THE MAN'S STORY. I THINK HE'S A LIAR, AND THAT THIS WHOLE THING WAS A CHEAP SET-UP.

Can you wrap your little mind around that concept?

Oh I understand your point perfectly. Always trust our brave fighting men and women....unless they're liberals.

So people can get in with all sorts of attire, but if their MOTIVES for wearing something is deemed undesirable, THEN they can be harassed and made to leave?

Talk about THOUGHT POLICE...

People have a freedom of expression. I can understand how it can be curbed in some cases where the people involved are ACTUALLY CREATING a nuisance and disturbing things, but this guy WAS NOT disturbing anything.
There was NO PROBLEM until the police made it a problem.

And if you don't see how that is a problem, then you're just plain blind.
With your type of rationale, why don't we just start claiming that people who wear Jesus jewelry are trying to create a nuisance? And hey! If they refuse a simple request to place the jewelry inside their clothing, then they are making it clear that the purpose IS TO PROVOKE...
Maybe we should start arresting them as well, eh???

Wow, poor guy. I hope he wins his court case.