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Old 08-13-2006, 08:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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While I know this isn't realistic because the Israeli people would never agree to it and lord knows where the new location would be. But why not just move Israel and the Israeli people to a safer homeland?

Instead of wasting billions of dollars over there, why not find a chunk of land somewhere else in the world? Israel isn't that huge.

Has anyone already suggested this in the past?
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I suggest they be given Sweden.

They would probably take them in to avoid further conflict. They did it during WWII.

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In 1943 Sweden received thousands of Jewish immigrants from Denmark. With the dissolution of the Danish government in the summer of 1943, the German authorities had decided to deport the Danish Jewish population to concentration camps. However, the Danes successfully transported the vast majority to Sweden in a vast rescue effort. There, they were granted asylum, and taken in by Swedes. Many stayed in Sweden after the war. Sweden also received refugees from Finland and Norway. This, as well as the protection of Sweden's own Jewish population, was made possible due to Sweden's neutrality.

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OK, this post is more serious than "superior cookie technology."

Moving Israel is easily one of the most impractical solutions I have ever heard. Israel has poured billions of dollars into setting up adequate infrastructure, building entire cities, and figuring out ways to take advantage of natural resources. Israelis have made leaps and bounds in irrigation technology, and have developed methods of harvesting various chemicals from sea water to sell at a profit. Israel has also developed a unique culture which ranges from everything from food to folk dancing. Israel was a desert before it was Israel, and the Israelis have made the desert bloom. Israel is extremely important to Jews from a cultural perspective, and a shitload of people would be very angry if anything along the lines of what you were proposing was ever considered. For starters, if that's not "letting the terrorists win" then I don't know what is. Just because Jews are less likely to blow up a bus station does not mean that they don't deserve the land, or that their link isn't just as strong.
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OK, this post is more serious than "superior cookie technology."

Moving Israel is easily one of the most impractical solutions I have ever heard. Israel has poured billions of dollars into setting up adequate infrastructure, building entire cities, and figuring out ways to take advantage of natural resources. Israelis have made leaps and bounds in irrigation technology, and have developed methods of harvesting various chemicals from sea water to sell at a profit. Israel has also developed a unique culture which ranges from everything from food to folk dancing. Israel was a desert before it was Israel, and the Israelis have made the desert bloom. Israel is extremely important to Jews from a cultural perspective, and a shitload of people would be very angry if anything along the lines of what you were proposing was ever considered. For starters, if that's not "letting the terrorists win" then I don't know what is. Just because Jews are less likely to blow up a bus station does not mean that they don't deserve the land, or that their link isn't just as strong.

There is little defense against an atomic bomb. I just hope it never comes to that. Considering the size of Israel it would be the end of them with just a few used. It seems like every neighbor of Israel wishes them harm. That is what lead me to the thought... just get the hell out!

I know it isn't going to happen but it may seem wise in hindsight if anything happens.
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There is little defense against an atomic bomb. I just hope it never comes to that. Considering the size of Israel it would be the end of them with just a few used. It seems like every neighbor of Israel wishes them harm. That is what lead me to the thought... just get the hell out!

I know it isn't going to happen but it may seem wise in hindsight if anything happens.
There isn't defence from a nuclear missile anywhere in the world. Perhaps Israel should be moved to a space colony?
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There isn't defence from a nuclear missile anywhere in the world. Perhaps Israel should be moved to a space colony?

So you think Israel will just be able to defend themselves forever? Even though damn near every neighbor wants to see their end?? I'm not as confident as you obviously. I think the Israelis are going to meet a horrible end because so many people seem to hate them in the region.

I just think it would be a horrible way to live... always looking over your shoulder.
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So you think Israel will just be able to defend themselves forever? Even though damn near every neighbor wants to see their end?? I'm not as confident as you obviously. I think the Israelis are going to meet a horrible end because so many people seem to hate them in the region.

I just think it would be a horrible way to live... always looking over your shoulder.
America seems to get along. I'm sure Israel can too. I mean, I think the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War both proved that Israel is completely capable of defending itself.
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America seems to get along. I'm sure Israel can too. I mean, I think the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War both proved that Israel is completely capable of defending itself.

Nuclear weapons were never used though. And it seems like that is the way the Israeli conflict is heading. I hope I am wrong.
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OK, this post is more serious than "superior cookie technology."

Moving Israel is easily one of the most impractical solutions I have ever heard. Israel has poured billions of dollars into setting up adequate infrastructure, building entire cities, and figuring out ways to take advantage of natural resources. Israelis have made leaps and bounds in irrigation technology, and have developed methods of harvesting various chemicals from sea water to sell at a profit. Israel has also developed a unique culture which ranges from everything from food to folk dancing. Israel was a desert before it was Israel, and the Israelis have made the desert bloom. Israel is extremely important to Jews from a cultural perspective, and a shitload of people would be very angry if anything along the lines of what you were proposing was ever considered. For starters, if that's not "letting the terrorists win" then I don't know what is. Just because Jews are less likely to blow up a bus station does not mean that they don't deserve the land, or that their link isn't just as strong.
The European Jews had built their lives in Europe, but were managed to be moved to the Mandate for Palestine. They were willing to give up those material possessions to live in a place where they may enjoy the fruits of life in liberty and free of anti-semitism. When looking at the big picture, you begin to realize that freedom, liberty, and the human individual is by far more important than any infustructure or economy.

Life, Liberty, and the pursiut of happiness renders any material wealth rather trivial. In this quest, Israel is a noble cause. But they have chosen a land where anti-semitism would relish, and radical religious despotism would rise out of the byproducts of colonialism. For in that sense, that is what it may and is percieved. European colonialism. I personally think Israel should have been in Europe.

And to think that you would give your liberty and freedom from prejudice for materialism, is beyond me, and quite contrary to the philosophy of an Israeli state.
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There is little defense against an atomic bomb. I just hope it never comes to that. Considering the size of Israel it would be the end of them with just a few used. It seems like every neighbor of Israel wishes them harm. That is what lead me to the thought... just get the hell out!

I know it isn't going to happen but it may seem wise in hindsight if anything happens.
That is because every neighbor of Israel is Muslim.

You can defend them all you want, and even be a Muslim apologist, but Muslims hate Israel. They want it annihilated. It's part of their religion.
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