Iran: The Facts & the Future - Page 3

Katczinsky · 08-21-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Which doesn't dispell the question as to why a third world country sitting on a mess of oil needs nuclear energy.

They need it because they are third world. I'm all for nuclear energy for peaceful purposes in Iran. Because its relatively clean compared to fossil fuels, and it's something that would improve the lives of the average Iranian. Its just that they have to comply with their treaties and pacts with the UN and IAEA, which I believe states that if they want help from the UN then they have to comply with routine inspections and other standards.

Obviously I'm sure Iran wouldn't mind having nuclear warhead technologies, mostly probabaly because they feel as if they're greatly threatened by the nuclear powers of Israel and the United States. And for this reason I think we need to be careful. But if we want to be sure they're not persuing those types of military technologies, I think the United States definetly needs to take a less aggressive posture in the middle east, and Israel will probably have to end up disarming its nuclear arsenal. Then I'm sure they would be willing to come to the table and come to an understanding.

Dylan · 08-21-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

They need it because they are third world. I'm all for nuclear energy for peaceful purposes in Iran. Because its relatively clean compared to fossil fuels, and it's something that would improve the lives of the average Iranian. Its just that they have to comply with their treaties and pacts with the UN and IAEA, which I believe states that if they want help from the UN then they have to comply with routine inspections and other standards.

Obviously I'm sure Iran wouldn't mind having nuclear warhead technologies, mostly probabaly because they feel as if they're greatly threatened by the nuclear powers of Israel and the United States. And for this reason I think we need to be careful. But if we want to be sure they're not persuing those types of military technologies, I think the United States definetly needs to take a less aggressive posture in the middle east, and Israel will probably have to end up disarming its nuclear arsenal. Then I'm sure they would be willing to come to the table and come to an understanding.

Nuclear energy is more expensive than oil. Third world countries don't worry about pollution. They have to worry about making sure everyone in their country has indoor plumbing and toothbrushes.

Tetracide · 08-21-2006, 11:05 PM

I appreciate all the responses.

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Originally Posted by hevusa

So you don't believe that nations have the right to persue nuclear power? I didn't realize they needed permission from Daddy.

Again, if you read my first post you would have found that I believe Iran has every right to develop nuclear energy. However, it is not seeking nuclear energy.

Tetracide · 08-21-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

They need it because they are third world. I'm all for nuclear energy for peaceful purposes in Iran. Because its relatively clean compared to fossil fuels, and it's something that would improve the lives of the average Iranian. Its just that they have to comply with their treaties and pacts with the UN and IAEA, which I believe states that if they want help from the UN then they have to comply with routine inspections and other standards.

Obviously I'm sure Iran wouldn't mind having nuclear warhead technologies, mostly probabaly because they feel as if they're greatly threatened by the nuclear powers of Israel and the United States. And for this reason I think we need to be careful. But if we want to be sure they're not persuing those types of military technologies, I think the United States definetly needs to take a less aggressive posture in the middle east, and Israel will probably have to end up disarming its nuclear arsenal. Then I'm sure they would be willing to come to the table and come to an understanding.

First of all, regarding Iran's oil supply and energy. Allow me to quote my first post.

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Proponents for a nuclear Iran reiterate the argument posed by President Gerald R. Ford. In a strategy paper he said the “introduction of nuclear power will both provide for the growing needs of Iran's economy and free remaining oil reserves for export or conversion to petrochemicals.” Let’s look at this pragmatically. If Iran’s whole reasoning for developing nuclear weapons is to relive the stress on its oil production infrastructure so that it can produce and sell more oil, wouldn’t it be less politically hectic and less expensive if Iran simply increased its number of oil refineries? Doing so would have the exact opposite effect than attempting to develop nuclear energy. The international community would welcome Iran’s effort to put more oil into the world market, thus lowering the price of gas everywhere (having the least effect on the United States considering the U.S. is one of the only nations that does not purchase oil from Iran).

Secondly, it is not the United States' or Israel's responsibility to make Iran feel safe. Iran has placed themselves in the hot seat by being the leading sponsor of terror, and now lying to the international community while systematically developing a nuclear weapon.

Tetracide · 08-21-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jaaaman

The citizens of Iran don't have any say on this. That country is run by a crazy dictator with absolute power.

Absolutely correct.

Katczinsky · 08-22-2006, 08:32 AM

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Secondly, it is not the United States' or Israel's responsibility to make Iran feel safe. Iran has placed themselves in the hot seat by being the leading sponsor of terror, and now lying to the international community while systematically developing a nuclear weapon.

I'm afraid it is if it has been made to be our responsibility to see to it that Iran doesn't develope the nuclear bomb. And that is what we're trying to do, yes? Obviously Israel and the United States are the prime reasons for their want for a nuclear warhead. If its not our responsibility to make sure Iran doesn't feel the need for such weapons, then naturally its not our responsibility to be making sure they don't develope those weapons, or even what organizations they sponser.

Jefferson · 08-22-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Nuclear energy is more expensive than oil. Third world countries don't worry about pollution. They have to worry about making sure everyone in their country has indoor plumbing and toothbrushes.

Is Iran really considered a "third world" country?

I'm serious.

Katczinsky · 08-22-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Is Iran really considered a "third world" country?

I'm serious.

I thought it was more second world.

alias · 08-22-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

Wouldn't that be up to the citizens of their country to decide? The same ones that want the "crazy dictator" to be there in the first place?

Who elected the Supreme leader in Iran? Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the supreme leader of Iran. He can dismiss the elected president anytime he wishes. Who elected him Hevusa? No need to answer. We already know you don't have one.

Dylan · 08-22-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

I thought it was more second world.

The Second World doesn't exist anymore. It was the term used for the Soviet Union and co.

I suppose I should have used a less subjective term.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

This is a UN chart showing development.

Green is more developed, yellow is so-so, and red is really, really not developed.

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