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Old 09-10-2006, 08:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Just because there might be a purpose doesn't mean its a legit one. Saddam was a dictator...I think we all know that and any attempt at painting a bad picture of Saddam is kind of pointless; we know he was a bad person. But war should only be declared so that it is necessary for the defense of this country. It should only be the last resort. With Iraq, military action was one of the first resorts used. And attacking Iraq certainly had nothing to do with the vital security of the soverignty of the United States. Hell, Iraq wasn't even a threat to his neighbors anymore. Nearly all military officials knew this and even stated so; but once the memo was released and the propaganda machine started rolling, the emotions of fighting terrorism was wrapped up in an already preconcieved goal of neo-conservatives: and that was Iraq.

Straight out of the horse's mouth:

"One of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror"
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It's the hardest job because you and some others don't get it. He's quite right. I believe Iraq was a threat. Oil for food scam and starving their people and leaving them with limited medical attention. Funding terrorism in Palestine. Violating every UN order after order. Continued shooting of our planes. How can you fight terrorism and not take Saddam out? That's a no brainer. Iraq is right between Iran and Syria. Another no brainer. You and others don't see the big picture. You think these guys will just go away. They have declared war on the west and you better wake up before it's too late. Lots of people didn't take Hitler serious either. This war is just starting and it is not because of George Bush. This area has been the breeding ground of terror for years. You guys act like there was never any terrorism until George Bush became president. Lots of cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome around here. The only cure is truth.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It's the hardest job because you and some others don't get it. He's quite right. I believe Iraq was a threat. Oil for food scam and starving their people and leaving them with limited medical attention. Funding terrorism in Palestine. Violating every UN order after order. Continued shooting of our planes. How can you fight terrorism and not take Saddam out? That's a no brainer. Iraq is right between Iran and Syria. Another no brainer. You and others don't see the big picture. You think these guys will just go away. They have declared war on the west and you better wake up before it's too late. Lots of people didn't take Hitler serious either. This war is just starting and it is not because of George Bush. This area has been the breeding ground of terror for years. You guys act like there was never any terrorism until George Bush became president. Lots of cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome around here. The only cure is truth.
The truth is is that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. Even if you can find like one or two small back ally deals with Saddam and some terror organization in Palestine, which I haven't seen in the first place, its still highly miniscule compared to Iran or Saudi Arabia. If our goal was to invade a country that supported our enemies, it would be Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the largest nation contributer to al-Qaeda both in recruits and funding. But of coarse your buddies in the white house were too content with our oil policies with the Saudis. And if it was a country that funded terrorist organizations in general that we were looking for, then your main choice would be Iran.

But Iraq was ruled by a secular dictator. Hence radical islamists hated Saddam. They saw him as an equal to the atheist communists. Because not only did radical muslims think he was atheist, but they knew they had to oppose him because he is a secular dictator. Saddam modeled his rule on Stalin. Osama even wanted to wage Jihad against him during the first gulf war. So it makes no sense whatsoever that Saddam would be funding radical islamic terrorist organizations...let alone the fact that its highly unlikely that such organizations would willingly take money from an avowed enemy.

And we're failing to see the big picture? Come on! Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. The Iraq War was unprovoked. Hence it was illegitimate. And this is why people like Cindy Sheehan are in an outrage; that the administration would use the military as expendables to their neo-conservative theories that have no precedents. Plus if you're talking about the big picture, then you're failing to see the thousand-year war between the Shiites and the Sunnis. They hate each other more than they hate America. They've been waging this war long before America existed. So in other words, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda hate each other. One is Sunni and the other is Shi'a. And if we were to ascribe to the "our enemy of our enemy is our friend" as Reagan and Bush sr. did, then we should be aiding Hezbollah just as we aided Osama and the Mujahideen in their war against the Soviets.
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The truth is is that Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism. Even if you can find like one or two small back ally deals with Saddam and some terror organization in Palestine, which I haven't seen in the first place, its still highly miniscule compared to Iran or Saudi Arabia. If our goal was to invade a country that supported our enemies, it would be Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is the largest nation contributer to al-Qaeda both in recruits and funding. But of coarse your buddies in the white house were too content with our oil policies with the Saudis. And if it was a country that funded terrorist organizations in general that we were looking for, then your main choice would be Iran.

But Iraq was ruled by a secular dictator. Hence radical islamists hated Saddam. They saw him as an equal to the atheist communists. Because not only did radical muslims think he was atheist, but they knew they had to oppose him because he is a secular dictator. Saddam modeled his rule on Stalin. Osama even wanted to wage Jihad against him during the first gulf war. So it makes no sense whatsoever that Saddam would be funding radical islamic terrorist organizations...let alone the fact that its highly unlikely that such organizations would willingly take money from an avowed enemy.

And we're failing to see the big picture? Come on! Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Nothing. The Iraq War was unprovoked. Hence it was illegitimate. And this is why people like Cindy Sheehan are in an outrage; that the administration would use the military as expendables to their neo-conservative theories that have no precedents. Plus if you're talking about the big picture, then you're failing to see the thousand-year war between the Shiites and the Sunnis. They hate each other more than they hate America. They've been waging this war long before America existed. So in other words, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda hate each other. One is Sunni and the other is Shi'a. And if we were to ascribe to the "our enemy of our enemy is our friend" as Reagan and Bush sr. did, then we should be aiding Hezbollah just as we aided Osama and the Mujahideen in their war against the Soviets.
All of what your saying does not change the fact that Cindy Sheehan is a raving lunatic in need of psychiatric help.





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All of what your saying does not change the fact that Cindy Sheehan is a raving lunatic in need of psychiatric help.
Actually, I feel kind of sorry for her. Kind of...

She WAS the media darling for a few minutes, and now that she's addicted to the attention, the media couldn't care less. They've moved on to the next item of interest. And now Cindy is just flapping in the wind, doing whatever she can do to garner more attention.

She actually seems very pathetic to me. I've read that her husband recently filed for divorce, because he couldn't tolerate her radical activism. I think she's going to "crash & burn".
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All of what your saying does not change the fact that Cindy Sheehan is a raving lunatic in need of psychiatric help.
I've met her and talked with her on a number of occasions. She's not mentally ill. Unless of coarse you're just insulting her...in that case you're just being an ass. And wimp at that, talking stuff behind someone's back.
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Actually, I feel kind of sorry for her. Kind of...

She WAS the media darling for a few minutes, and now that she's addicted to the attention, the media couldn't care less. They've moved on to the next item of interest. And now Cindy is just flapping in the wind, doing whatever she can do to garner more attention.

She actually seems very pathetic to me. I've read that her husband recently filed for divorce, because he couldn't tolerate her radical activism. I think she's going to "crash & burn".
Could it actually be that she just wants justice? Its not about wanting the continued fame. She's a political activist because she wants change. That change hasn't happened yet, so she's still going. She said she would keep going until change was brought for the good in this country. She's been saying that.
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I've met her and talked with her on a number of occasions. She's not mentally ill. Unless of coarse you're just insulting her...in that case you're just being an ass. And wimp at that, talking stuff behind someone's back.
Actions speak louder than words, my liberal friend. Her actions alone indicate she needs psychiatric help... and her attempts to bring attention on to herself make her sound raving mad.





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Actions speak louder than words, my liberal friend. Her actions alone indicate she needs psychiatric help... and her attempts to bring attention on to herself make her sound raving mad.
What actions indicates that she is mentally ill? How is political activism so hard to understand? Its not about fame, its about wanting change. Was Gandhi mentally ill and obesessed with fame? Or how about its just that he wanted change in India?
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Could it actually be that she just wants justice? Its not about wanting the continued fame. She's a political activist because she wants change. That change hasn't happened yet, so she's still going. She said she would keep going until change was brought for the good in this country. She's been saying that.
Okay, answer me this:

1. Why was she in Italy for the funeral of a reporter?
2. Why was she in Venezuela, chumming with Chavez?


What, in Sam Hill, does Chavez have to do with ending the war in Iraq? I'll answer it for you: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

That's why I call her an attention whore. She's off base, and her STUPID behavior is calling attention away from a legitimate cause. She has become an embarassment to the anti-war movement.
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What actions indicates that she is mentally ill? How is political activism so hard to understand? Its not about fame, its about wanting change. Was Gandhi mentally ill and obesessed with fame? Or how about its just that he wanted change in India?
Cindy Sheehan ain't no Gandi. You are really searching for straws here, aren't you Kat. Try again.





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