Defending the Truth

This is definately the story of the day... What do you think the implications will be? I can think of many outcomes, and none of them are good.

I can only hope that the people in power in North Korea will come to recognize the futility of Nuclear Weaponry.

I think the leader of North Korea needs to be put away in an insane asylum and the people freed from communism. I'm for any means that can accomplish that.

I think everyone (except for most North Koreans) could agree with that. But, Kim Il-Sung and son are too insane to even be communist. But I know what you mean. But North Korea is one of the worst case examples in the history of human civilization. That is coming from a democratic and western standpoint, however. But, I think most historians agree that Kim Il-Sung's reign was more despotic and murderous than most dictatorships, including Hitler and Stalin. Although Kim Jung-Il isn't AS bad, its still probably the worst nation today.

But with all this weighed in when considering the implications of their nuclear test? I don't think it will change our view on North Korea any. I mean, we knew they had nuclear technology developed. It should be nothing that comes to a surprise.

But I need more details on the test itself. Have the North Koreans released any photos or video of the test?

And who helped them develop their nuclear capability? Be honest now.

Hmm, helped? I guess Pakistan did help them with some technologies, according to US intelligence officials. Why?

I think you need a history lesson:

1993: North Korea says it has quit the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty amid suspicions that it is developing nuclear weapons. It later reverses that decision.

1994: North Korea and U.S. sign an agreement. North Korea pledges to freeze and eventually dismantle its nuclear weapons program in exchange for international aid to build two power-producing nuclear reactors.

So the Clinton Administration, in its naïve stupidity, says “okay North Korea, pretty please, if you’ll just take apart your nuclear weapons and stop building them, we’ll help you build MORE nuclear facilities. "

Aug. 31, 1998: North Korea fires a multistage over Japan and into the Pacific Ocean, proving it can strike any part of Japan's territory. So obviously, this plan didn’t work. Score one for the Clinton Administration and their “legacy”. But let’s just twiddle our thumbs a little longer.

May 25-28, 1999: Former Defense Secretary William Perry visits North Korea and delivers a U.S. disarmament proposal.

So because they were so trustworthy before, the Clinton Administration believes that they can trust the North Koreans to accept and abide by a disarmament proposal.

Sept. 13: North Korea pledges to freeze long-range missile tests.

Sept. 17: U.S. President Bill Clinton eases economic sanctions against North Korea.

So against reason, common sense and past history, we believe them again. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me three times……?

December: A U.S.-led consortium signs a US $4.6 billion contract for two safer, Western-developed light-water nuclear reactors in North Korea.

So nuclear power isn’t good enough for us, because we haven’t had a nuclear power plant authorized in the U.S. since 1970, none licensed since 1996 and none under construction even today, but nuclear power is fine for the North Koreans. And that’s all they are going to use these facilities for – generating nuclear power. Right.

July 2000: North Korea again threatens to restart its nuclear program if Washington doesn't compensate for the loss of electricity caused by delays in building nuclear power plants.

Fool me a fourth time…..?

June 2001: North Korea warns it will reconsider its moratorium on missile tests if the Bush administration doesn't resume contacts aimed at normalizing relations.

So now we have the Bush Administration having to deal with the Clinton Administration’s Charlie Brown, Lucy and the football policy towards North Korea and their arms program – with North Korea as Lucy, their nuclear arms program as the football and us as Charlie Brown. Fantastic “legacy”, Clinton Administration, way to go! Glad you weren't in charge during the Cold War!

Clinton's Legacy: North Korean Nukes by Steve Bowers

Please, you're trying to blame nuclear technologies being in the hands of the North Koreans on Clinton? Hah! Wow, your partisanship has gone to a new low.

Before you try to condescend to people, perhaps you should actually know what you're talking about instead of just copying and pasting from conservative commentaries just because it bashes Clinton.

It would help to know that the two modern light-water nuclear power plants were never given to North Korea. In fact, Clinton had succeeded in having North Korea's existing nuclear facilities dismantled and reactor fuel taken out of North Korea. Nice way to completely turn around that little fact and fuck it up for your partisan hackery.

And anyway, even if they were built, light-water reactors require enriched uranium to be imported from outside North Korea, so the reactor fuel and waste could be much more easily tracked than before, thus in fact making it less likely for North Korea to divert nuclear waste to be reporcessed into plutonium.

Even despite those facts, nothing in your post shows that Clinton helped North Korea develope their nuclear program. That's simply rediculous.

Nice rhetoric but no where do I see any evidence. Care to try again to defend YOUR partisanship!!

Bottom line:

Ding Dong-Il has cut his own throat in the global community.

It's only a matter of time now before his regime is toppled.