Defending the Truth

BOTTOM LINE: Why didn't the kid either produce his student ID, or leave when he was asked?

That's the bottom line. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is a result of his refusal to do one of those two things - which are CLEARLY campus policy.

I have to chuckle these days when you guys keep trying to drag the conversation back to this.
NOBODY IS DEFENDING the kid.
He SHOULD HAVE acknowledged he shouldn't have been in that area, and left. Promptly.

The thing we are ACTUALLy debating is the POLICE action which came next.


"Everything else is a result of..."???
No. The police DO have some culpability for their actions.

A cop tells a car to pull over. He doesn't do so promptly, so the cop shoots the driver in the head.
Obviously a "result" of his "refusal"...

The issue here is discussing the appropriate level of police response.
People on YOUR side of the fence want to ignore that question, and just assume that the police's actions were justified based on his initial refusal to leave.
Not true.
And moreover people on your side of the fence seem incapable of defending the police actions without blindly assuming that they were justified just because this kid didn't leave promptly.

And you keep ignoring the fact that if the punk does what he is told there would have been no police action.

I haven't "ignored" that at all.
In fact, if you actually READ and COMPREHEND my posts, you'ld see that I understand that some level of police response was necessary here.

The LEVEL of police response was unwarranted, and he should have been dealt with with less force than a taser.

When a thread is fairly simple, who you gonna call?
POST-HUMPER!

When there's no point to be made, who you gonna call?
POST-HUMPER!

When it's stupid to keep talking on an on, who you gonna call?
POST-HUMPER!

Wanna waste your time on pointless drivel? who you gonna call?
POST-HUMPER!

He should have had his nose busted. He was told by the cops to move and he didn't. In other words, he was saying to the cops...."Fck you".

...and now he's a hero.

Funny thing, what happens when the bleeding-hearts take over and there's no common sense used.

I've come to realize that's your way of crying "Uncle"...

< sniffle, sniffle >
mock Jefferson: "I can't take it any more post-humper. Leave me alone!


"hero"???
To WHO???
WHO has considered him a "hero" here???

When you two can't make an argument, you just make one up, don't you...

And your desire to see him physically harmed is just a vindictive issue.
Not one of justice.

Vindictive attitudes have no place on the police force. It's not a justification for force.

The stupid little punk is the one with the attitude. He needs his nose busted. I've seen that cure a lot of attitudes pretty quickly. What do you think the odds are he will leave when asked to leave next time?