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Old 12-14-2006, 02:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Guantanamo
It seems Guantanamo prisoners are stuck:

Federal judge says foreign Guantanamo detainees may not sue | csmonitor.com

Do you think this is right?
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Old 12-14-2006, 02:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I disagree. I think this judgement can only be made by a coalition outside the United States.

Otherwise it is a conflict of interest and self serving.
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Since it is America's war, how is it a conflict of interest for America to decide how to handle its prisoners?
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Since it is America's war, how is it a conflict of interest for America to decide how to handle its prisoners?

The "American war on terror" is so vague that damn near anyone could have been detained at Guantanamo (and have been). The majorty of people passing through have been released because they simply hadn't done anything wrong.

We have even been so bold as to change the name we call them from prisoners (POW's) to detainees to avoid the Geneva Convention.

I don't feel our government should be allowed to decide what happens to people they have held illegally.
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I feel out government should do all it can to protect the American people. There have been people who were released from Gitmo who have committed acts of terror. The American people come first. Muslims who are terrorists will do and say anything. The treatment of our military by the prisoners is far worse than our treatmennt of the prisoners. That is a fact. Another fact is the majority of Americans don't really give a damn about what happens to those prisoners except for a few bleeding heart anti-war idiots who don't know shit from Shinola about what is going on and display more sympathy for non-Americans than for innocent American lives.

Stupid is as stupid does:

Ex-Gitmo detainees return to terror

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At least seven former prisoners of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have returned to terrorism, despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to renounce violence.
At least two are believed to have died in fighting in Afghanistan, and a third was recaptured during a raid on a suspected training camp in Afghanistan, said Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico, a Pentagon spokesman. Others are at large.
Additional former detainees have expressed a desire to rejoin the fight, be it against U.N. peacekeepers in Afghanistan, Americans in Iraq or Russians in Chechnya.

More at this link:
Ex-Gitmo detainees return to terror - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics - October 18, 2004

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Give them the fair trial they deserve. If they are guilty don't let them go free...

That is all the "bleeding hearts" are saying. Don't hold people illegally because doing so brings us down to their level. We are above that (or at least we should be).
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I feel out government should do all it can to protect the American people.
The government told the American people that the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. If this is protecting us, then I'll protect myself, thank you.
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The government told the American people that the air at Ground Zero was safe to breathe. If this is protecting us, then I'll protect myself, thank you.
Should they have simply NOT attempted any rescue efforts until all possible contiminates were gone? That's kind of like not allowing firefighters to attempt to save people until after the fire is out.

It MIGHT work on paper, or in a college text-book. But real life is rarely that simple.
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Should they have simply NOT attempted any rescue efforts until all possible contiminates were gone? That's kind of like not allowing firefighters to attempt to save people until after the fire is out.

It MIGHT work on paper, or in a college text-book. But real life is rarely that simple.
That is not what I am saying. Firefighters are provided the personal protective equipment and knowledge needed to rescue people in fire situations.

I do not believe the residents and office workers in the area were provided the information needed to equip themselves to protect against the dust. The rescue workers may have had more protections and directions on how to use them than residents or other workers in the area.
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Give them the fair trial they deserve. If they are guilty don't let them go free...

That is all the "bleeding hearts" are saying. Don't hold people illegally because doing so brings us down to their level. We are above that (or at least we should be).
No it does not bring us down to their level. I've heard that argument before and I think it's just liberal rhetoric designed to make us feel guilty. I don't buy it. We will never be at their level. We are right, they are wrong. America stands for justice and freedom. The terrorists and Islam stand for enslavement, loss of human rights, and assassination. America is trying to prevent the murder of innocent people. The terrorists and their sympathizers have a goal of world dominated by Islam.

Also, I don't know where you get they deserve a fair trial. They are not American citizens. They were not rounded up for parking tickets. They obviously were where they did not belong. You will also not address the fact that some of those released were back to making michief. If a prisoner is released and he goes back to terrorism, how can you justify letting him go in the name of justice and protecting innocent lives?

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