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Old 04-13-2007, 04:53 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'd just like to comment on how refreshing it is to see such reflection and objectivity on how other nations might percieve you guys. I don't think I'm wrong in saying that the image portrayed in the media over here (The UK) is that any internal dissent about US foriegn policy is somehow surpressed due to an innate urge to remain united in the face of criticism and right behind your President when attacked by foriegners.
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I'd just like to comment on how refreshing it is to see such reflection and objectivity on how other nations might percieve you guys. I don't think I'm wrong in saying that the image portrayed in the media over here (The UK) is that any internal dissent about US foriegn policy is somehow surpressed due to an innate urge to remain united in the face of criticism and right behind your President when attacked by foriegners.

OUr prez is polling in the low 30's these days. Not to many people support him.
Old 04-13-2007, 05:01 PM   #13 (permalink)
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OUr prez is polling in the low 30's these days. Not to many people support him.
Yeah, I know. We sometimes get the impression, as portrayed by popular culture and/or the media that the Office of President of the USA is considered by many in your country to be almost beyond reproach. I know that that's probably not true but it's taken quite a long time, plenty of gaffs and a slow realisation regarding Iraq to turn things around, hasn't it. Tony Blairs "honeymoon" was unprecedented, in terms of length, over here. We're usually dissin the PM, without mercy, the day after he/she's elected.
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I'm not sure self-delusion makes sense; though many millions of Americans do it anyway.
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"Not to many people support him." win
I hold precisely the opposite view; too many persons DO support him.
Admittedly, much of Bush issues popularity polls in the 30's%; among the whole People.
But among Republicans, I've recently seen recent approval stats in the ~70%s on some issues.

But Republicans tend to be more loyal to party than they are to country.
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Old 04-14-2007, 08:41 AM   #15 (permalink)
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What is wrong with the USA being the 'worlds policeman' anyway? I think in many ways our policies with nations abroad have made this world a safer place to live in.
Why don't we start with this. It is Unconstitutional.
Old 04-14-2007, 09:21 AM   #16 (permalink)
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What is wrong with the USA being the 'worlds policeman' anyway? I think in many ways our policies with nations abroad have made this world a safer place to live in.
For a start, do other countries around the world particularly want America to be, as it were, the Global Police? And if not, is it right to force that situation on them?
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Yeah, I know. We sometimes get the impression, as portrayed by popular culture and/or the media that the Office of President of the USA is considered by many in your country to be almost beyond reproach. I know that that's probably not true but it's taken quite a long time, plenty of gaffs and a slow realisation regarding Iraq to turn things around, hasn't it. Tony Blairs "honeymoon" was unprecedented, in terms of length, over here. We're usually dissin the PM, without mercy, the day after he/she's elected.
I haven't thought of the president as being almost beyond reproach since Nixon and Watergate. The expectation is that the human being elected will live up to the Office. Whether that happens or not is a matter of opinion and as such, highly debateable especially since we are at pre-emptive war.
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I'd just like to comment on how refreshing it is to see such reflection and objectivity on how other nations might percieve you guys. I don't think I'm wrong in saying that the image portrayed in the media over here (The UK) is that any internal dissent about US foriegn policy is somehow surpressed due to an innate urge to remain united in the face of criticism and right behind your President when attacked by foriegners.
Our president is a royal rumpswab. No rational American still supports him.

I think it is the duty of a socially concious society to consider how they are viewed by the rest of the world. Most Americans are not the loud, brash asshole cowboys we are perceived as... That's just the republicans... They are like our "Special Needs" children...
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Old 04-14-2007, 01:14 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Yeah, I know. We sometimes get the impression, as portrayed by popular culture and/or the media that the Office of President of the USA is considered by many in your country to be almost beyond reproach. I know that that's probably not true but it's taken quite a long time, plenty of gaffs and a slow realisation regarding Iraq to turn things around, hasn't it. Tony Blairs "honeymoon" was unprecedented, in terms of length, over here. We're usually dissin the PM, without mercy, the day after he/she's elected.
I think it's pretty routine to question the POTUS as well... however we tend to have a lot more people who are foolish enough to maintain party-loyalties. It's been a great detrement to our country.
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Old 04-14-2007, 01:16 PM   #20 (permalink)
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We're usually dissin the PM, without mercy, the day after he/she's elected.
I imagine a lot of the "honeymoon" was sheer relief at getting away from the Tories.
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