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Old 09-11-2007, 12:42 AM   #171 (permalink)
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As far as Vick goes, I also applaud Arthur Blank for condemning Vick's behavior. Whether the Falcons choose to release him is another matter. They can buy out his contract, but if you saw the performance of Joey Harrington as the starting quarterback Sunday, it kind of softens your view towards Vick if you are a Falcons fan.
Yes, I did see the performance, and Harrington looked absolutely horrible - he's like a snail compared to Vick! Arthur Blank is perhaps "crying in his beer" right about now. . .

I have to admit that as a quarterback - Vick adequately compensated for whatever weaknesses remained in the Atlanta offensive line. I actually liked him before all this mess. . .

Anyhow, it will probably be another five years or so until we see the Falcons in the playoffs again. As a big time Atlanta fan - that doesn't make me too happy. . .

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Old 09-11-2007, 10:12 AM   #172 (permalink)
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You know, all of our point of views really don't mean a thing outside of legality and what we think is acceptable. To an Oriental, a dog can be considered in the same light. It's just that in America, we tend to treat our dogs almost as a human member of our family.Just ask anyone who served in Vietnam just how many dishes can be prepared from dog.
The latest posts are about cockfighting though.
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You're a little stiff on your penalty suggestion. 30 years? That will never happen, and could never happen. To tell the truth, I'm not sure just how much prison time Vick will receive, if he gets any at all!
Now, as long as he is not in prison (or after serving a sentence) I'm not sure what the law is regarding the denial of a man's right to earn his keep in his chosen profession. Remember the Latrell Sprewell incident in the NBA? While the League had every right to suspend and fine him for his actions; it was ruled that they could not forbid him from playing ever again in the NBA.
As far as Vick goes, I also applaud Arthur Blank for condemning Vick's behavior. Whether the Falcons choose to release him is another matter. They can buy out his contract, but if you saw the performance of Joey Harrington as the starting quarterback Sunday, it kind of softens your view towards Vick if you are a Falcons fan.
That game was just sad. Especially since my wife is a HUGE Peyton Manning fan since he was at Tenn. When you watch a QB like Peyton, your standards are bit high. The Falcon's game was painful. Good thing though, maybe the tickets for the Falcon/Colts matchup will get a bit cheaper.

No that I hadn't seen Vick make similar sorry performances before. When a team shuts his running down, he sucks too.
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That game was just sad. Especially since my wife is a HUGE Peyton Manning fan since he was at Tenn. When you watch a QB like Peyton, your standards are bit high. The Falcon's game was painful. Good thing though, maybe the tickets for the Falcon/Colts matchup will get a bit cheaper.

No that I hadn't seen Vick make similar sorry performances before. When a team shuts his running down, he sucks too.
I'm sure the tickets will be cheaper. I do admit that when Vick's running is shut down in a game, he sucks also. But as the opposing defense, you must always plan on Vick running the ball. That is his greatest value.
I don't mean to suggest that Vick should be allowed to just walk away from this incident without penalty. I do find it funny that many Falcon fans who were screaming for Vick's blood before seem to be relenting a lot in view of what they have chosen to represent themselves with at quarterback. Football fan or not, Harrington is not in the same solar system as Vick as far as talent is concerned. The season is finished for Atlanta. You may start to see fans showing up at the games wearing paper bag masks (ala New Orleans Saints from 20 years ago, who called the team the "New Orleans Aints). I really feel for Arthur Blank, who had raised this team from mediocrity into a team something the people in Atlanta could actually find reason to cheer about. He must now start all over.
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The latest posts are about cockfighting though.
That was exactly my point. As the reference to chickens "just being a plate of wings before they get to the fryer", I was saying that in some parts of the Orient, dogs (and cats) are in the same category.It's just how one's society values these animals that is the uproar.
While I definitely see your point, since we in America seem to be disgusted with the pitting of animals against another as entertainment; what have we done to stop the human forms of this entertainment? The Ultimate Fighting Championship and other such knockoffs? Why is this allowed and even televised? I don't recall seeing a cockfight or dogfight getting anywhere near this form of promotion for what we refer to as "savagery".
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While I definitely see your point, since we in America seem to be disgusted with the pitting of animals against another as entertainment; what have we done to stop the human forms of this entertainment? The Ultimate Fighting Championship and other such knockoffs? Why is this allowed and even televised? I don't recall seeing a cockfight or dogfight getting anywhere near this form of promotion for what we refer to as "savagery".


The difference is, of course, that the ultimate fighters are human beings who make the choice to fight.

Presumably they are also (legally) sane adults with the capacity to decide that getting their bones broken and their brains rattled sounds like a fun way to make money.

If someone were staging such fights using 12-yr-old combatants, then I am sure that individuals, organizations and law enforcement would be lining up to stop them. And for the same reason that we want to stop chicken and dog fights.

One has every right in the world to engage in any "sport", no matter how dangerous it is to one's own well-being. But when one inflicts that same harm or the same danger on any breathing creatures -- animal or human -- who are not capable of consenting to engage in that activity, it is inevitable that, sooner or later, people possessed of compassion and empathy are going to intercede on their behalf.


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Old 09-11-2007, 02:10 PM   #177 (permalink)
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The difference is, of course, that the ultimate fighters are human beings who make the choice to fight.

Presumably they are also (legally) sane adults with the capacity to decide that getting their bones broken and their brains rattled sounds like a fun way to make money.

If someone were staging such fights using 12-yr-old combatants, then I am sure that individuals, organizations and law enforcement would be lining up to stop them. And for the same reason that we want to stop chicken and dog fights.

One has every right in the world to engage in any "sport", no matter how dangerous it is to one's own well-being. But when one inflicts that same harm or the same danger on any breathing creatures -- animal or human -- who are not capable of consenting to engage in that activity, it is inevitable that, sooner or later, people possessed of compassion and empathy are going to intercede on their behalf.

Thank you CF; that probably explains this whole mess best from the legal and moral sides. Now, the side pertaining to the loss of Vick's services to the Atlanta Falcons ( as well as the credibility of the NFL) needs to be addressed.
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That was exactly my point. As the reference to chickens "just being a plate of wings before they get to the fryer", I was saying that in some parts of the Orient, dogs (and cats) are in the same category.

Dogs are legally slaughtered as "meat" in Canada. It's not that far away. Not to mention the treatment of animals to make veal and foi gras.

It's just how one's society values these animals that is the uproar.
While I definitely see your point, since we in America seem to be disgusted with the pitting of animals against another as entertainment; what have we done to stop the human forms of this entertainment? The Ultimate Fighting Championship and other such knockoffs? Why is this allowed and even televised? I don't recall seeing a cockfight or dogfight getting anywhere near this form of promotion for what we refer to as "savagery".
I agree. But I just don't place animals that high on a pedestal. Catch and release fishing and trophy hunting are cruel for no reason yet they are allowed. It's just not that big a deal to me.
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Thank you CF; that probably explains this whole mess best from the legal and moral sides. Now, the side pertaining to the loss of Vick's services to the Atlanta Falcons ( as well as the credibility of the NFL) needs to be addressed.

On that paricular issue I am a bit torn.

How much do we and can we expect celebrity "role models" to really live up to our expectations as human beings?

I certainly think the NFL should have the right to bar him if the organization believes that his behaviour is contrary to the image that they wish to project.

But, likewise, I think they have the right to reinstate him if he is willing to work to change his own public image.

Maybe his problem really is that he was "raised in that culture." And maybe recent events will cause him to question that culture and change the way he looks at things.

Or, barring that, maybe he will just have the good sense to realize that his taste for dog-fighting is not worth risking his -- rather exorbitant -- livelihood.
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I agree. But I just don't place animals that high on a pedestal. Catch and release fishing and trophy hunting are cruel for no reason yet they are allowed. It's just not that big a deal to me.
Canada is a different country and not subject to our rules in America as pertaining to this. Catch and release fishing is done to allow the fish population to grow over time. I do not find that cruel at all; actually I view it as a help to nature- one of the few things humans do in this respect. Not being a hunter, I cannot offer a good opinion on trophy hunting as opposed to any other form. I also do not place animals on such a high pedestal outside of my own pet or pets.

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