Defending the Truth

I find it funny that in hevusa's arguement telling me that i'm wrong the only facts that he has to support what he's saying is this: "The constitution gives you no such right in my opinion, unless you are in a militia and we lack a military..." Let me point out one thing in this arguement.... in my opinion and what the heck is he saying about laking a military... are you stupid? We have a military!

Exactly, we have a military. That is why we no longer need the militia that the constitution refers to, which is why I think no one should have the right to bear arms. It is in the same sentence of the Constitution, doesn't take a genius.

And I quote:
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Since a well regulated Militia is no longer necessary to the security of a free State, we CAN infringe on the right to bear arms.

Your arguement is your interpretation on the Constitution. I interpret it differently then you do. I also think it would be stupid to take away all the weapons from Americans because there will still be bad people with weapons and we wouldn't be able to protect ourselves. So if you were a gun owner and your gun was takin away from you by the government and a gangster came robbing your house, are you supposed to just wait for the police? No! You would be killed before they arrived. Again taking guns away from Americans would indeed be a stupid thing to do.

I see you are in support of citizens being judge, jury, and executioner. Congrats... most people can't even handle a vehicle.

America would be safer if it outlawed weapons. Other countries gun violence statistics show this. Guess we will never learn.

You must be opposed to the drug war as well.

Someone else said it best...

"You can have my gun when you pull it from my cold, dead, hands..."

amfliberal: I am opposed to the war on drugs and gun control, because they both infringe upon my personal freedom to do what the fuck I want as long as it doesn't infringe someone else's right.

hevusa: "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

This quote speaks for itself There are no addendums, no exceptions, no ifs ands of maybes. This quote is indicitave of the exact ideals that the forefathers where attempting to construe, that American citizens have the right to bear arms NO MATTER WHAT. The fact that this was the second statutes of the bill of rights right after freedom of speech just shows you how highly they held this RIGHT. Yes, it is in the context of a militia, but who comprises the militia? Private citizens. Thusly if private citizens can't arm themselves there can't be a militia. The militia is there to defend the homeland should the military fail to do so. The fact that there are 500 million guns in America is the number one reason America will never be invaded. Once a foreign power has dealt with our military they still have the whole of our citizenry to deal with, and the fact that we are armed to the teeth does not make that a compelling conflict. The right to bear arms is also in place in order to protect the citizenry from potentially tyrannical government. Do you honestly trust George W. to protect your rights. Because saying that the fact that we have a military is a reason to shit on the second amendment is saying that you trust George W. not to turn America into a police state, which he partly already has.

Secondly, How is disarming law abiding citizens going to do anything to stop gun violence, when gun violence is almost always perpetuated using ILLEGALLY OBTAINED WEAPONS. All gun control does is disempower people who care about the law, and emboldens people who don't because they know that law abiding citizens no longer have the right to defend themselves. In Australia they enacted strict gun control laws, gues what happened. Crime went up immensely, because all the outlaws kept their guns and the rest of the population was at their mercy. If gun laws are the answer, then why is it that DC has such a high murder rate? In Fairfax, right across the water, they have virtually no gun control, over twice the population, and less than half of the gun deaths? Could it be that personal responsiblity is the key?

Next: There aer a few facts that you seem to have left out of your overview of the wonderful nations of Europe and their gun laws. First of all, there are hardly any black people in Europe ar all, and thusly, there is much less crime. This isn't racism , this is reality, black people comprise 12% of the American population, yet commit 60% of the violent crime -justice department stats. Secondly, they are all socialist, much in the same way that liberals want to turn America into a socialist state, through BS ideals like gun control and political correctness(thought control) .

Lastly, if you don't have a gun what are you going to do when someone breaks into your home? Do you expect your rapist to be impressed with your compassion for his life circumstances and the social inequalities that forced him into a life of crime? Do you expect him to be empathetic to you because of your progressive ideologies? Please do, so that he can laugh at you for being a fool, and then take advantage of your naivette and your physical weakness. He will appreciate the fact that people like him will always be the predator and people like you will always be the prey. It is people like myself who make him think twice about victimizing people, I am a criminal's worst nightmare, while you are his eternal prey.

The bottom line is that more laws and legislation is not the answer. Gun control laws seek only to disarm the law abiding and have little affect on people who have a wholesale disregard for the law. Prohibition doesn't work. Personal responsibility is the answer to all of societies problems. If society can't handle the weight of their own freedom, then society doesn't deserve to survive.

This is the inherent problem with liberal ideologies, they are kind of like magic in that as long as people believe in them they work, but as soon as people stop buying it, things start crashing down to reality. Reality is this : The only rights that you have are the ones that you are willing to fight for, anything else can be taken from you in the blink of an eye. You might think that you have the right to live your life and pursue happiness without anyone stopping you, but the minute that someone busts through your window it is up to you to enforce your right to live. If you would rather die for BS ideologies than stand up for yourself and your rights I think that is wonderful, more air on this for me to breath. But don't try to impede my right to protect myself just because you would rather be a coward than ensure your own right to have a fighting chance against whatever deranged psycopath feels like killing you because he has the inclination.

The first mistake that liberals make is assuming that everyone in the world is as much of a pussy as they are. The "oppressed" people of this country that liberals want to fight for would be the first people to call you a pussy and rob you if you made the mistake of walking through their hood. The bottom line : I will never give a fuck about unjust/unnecessary laws or the pussies who fight to try to take my freedoms away. Feel free to relinquish all your rights/freedoms in the name of safety, because I will always be here with my shotgun and my bong ready to tell you and everyone else who doesn't like it to go fuck themselves. America embodies my freedom to whatever the fuck I want as long as it doesn't infringe others' freedoms to do whatever it takes to make them happy, and no matter how pussified the population at large becomes you can never kill that ideal.

" You just do you, Ima' do me,".

-A Libertarian