Support gun control?

indago · 02-28-2008, 08:51 PM

Grace wrote:

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I never said gun ownership was a God given right, its a consitutional right, not to be infringed.

The Supreme Court of the United States has already addressed this point, declaring that the right to keep and bear arms existed long before governments, and that the second amendment only recognized this right.

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garysher · 02-28-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by indago

Grace wrote:

The Supreme Court of the United States has already addressed this point, declaring that the right to keep and bear arms existed long before governments, and that the second amendment only recognized this right.

In some countries men have had the right to beat their wives for centuries.

Precedent is quite different from assuming it's a God given right.

Toxic · 03-10-2008, 01:47 PM

Hahaha "god given rights" , how many of those exist again? Oh yeah, none. All rights are given by society. They aren't god given rights if someone can just take them away, and all rights can be taken away through use of force/subversion.

hahaha I don't need a gun to feel tough, I don't really care to feel tough, I just care to have the ability to defend myself if need be. But hey, if no one has ever tried to fight you, then surely noone will ever do so. And I don't even really like guns, I prefer swords and knives, they require more skill and are a lot more aesthetically pleasing than guns to me. How is it that you don't have the means to defend yourself, yet you don't depend on the government or the police to do it? Who defends you then? The same "god" that gave you your inalienable rights? HA! Honestly I havent been in a fight since middle school, but I have been in a lot of combustible situations that could have escalated into a fight, and I generally manage to talk my way out of it, but if that fails I would rather be able to defend myself then not.

"You are ideal fodder to live in the backwoods with the rest of the under class, and you have condemned your self to remaining there indefinitely."

And thank you for poking through the veil of being a "progressive socialist european gentlemen" to the truth of what you are, an elitist,classist, eurocentric snob, looking down on all those who would dare to live in the archaic realm of reality, in which they may one day need to exercise their crass and brutish right to defend themselves from those who would take away their freedoms.

Toxic · 03-10-2008, 01:51 PM

P.S. .... you never did tell me what you would do if you caught someone stealing your car from your driveway? Let them have it? Or call the police that you don't rely on? Or would you just take your own advice and move away for fear of confrontation? Oh no wait, let me guess, you live in a nice neighborhood away from all the peasants, so you won't ever have to worry about that, right?

bfrazz1 · 03-24-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxic

P.S. .... you never did tell me what you would do if you caught someone stealing your car from your driveway? Let them have it? Or call the police that you don't rely on? Or would you just take your own advice and move away for fear of confrontation? Oh no wait, let me guess, you live in a nice neighborhood away from all the peasants, so you won't ever have to worry about that, right?

If my house was not being broken into, and there was no threat to my family, I would not shoot the person(s). I'd have to rely on the police to hopefully recover my car or fall back on insurance to replace it. Bad news is I Keep a gun locked inthe glovebox.

garysher · 03-24-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxic

P.S. .... you never did tell me what you would do if you caught someone stealing your car from your driveway? Let them have it? Or call the police that you don't rely on? Or would you just take your own advice and move away for fear of confrontation? Oh no wait, let me guess, you live in a nice neighborhood away from all the peasants, so you won't ever have to worry about that, right?

One thing for sure I wouldn't start shooting at anyone for stealing a car, no matter how angry I may feel.

Fortunately I was born and raised in a civilised country and taught to have a high regard for human life.

garysher · 03-24-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bfrazz1

If my house was not being broken into, and there was no threat to my family, I would not shoot the person(s). I'd have to rely on the police to hopefully recover my car or fall back on insurance to replace it. Bad news is I Keep a gun locked inthe glovebox.

Great. So now the car thief has access to a firearm.

Shouldn't you be held responsible if he shoots somebody with it?

bfrazz1 · 03-28-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Great. So now the car thief has access to a firearm.

Shouldn't you be held responsible if he shoots somebody with it?

No, I think not. But I have been taking it out of the glovebox lately.

garysher · 03-29-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bfrazz1

No, I think not. But I have been taking it out of the glovebox lately.

How sad that you feel compelled to go through life with a gun, in a constant state of fear and trepidation.

Is that freedom??!?

bfrazz1 · 04-02-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

How sad that you feel compelled to go through life with a gun, in a constant state of fear and trepidation.

Is that freedom??!?

You are right, it is sad. But the state of constant fear and trepidation is not quite accurate. It's a occasional state of fear and trepidation. Is that freedom? I don't know, but it is all I know in this day and age. But this isn't England, it's the US and it's just the way it is. I'd prefer it was different, but it isn't. I dare say that should you find yourself in Britain being held at the point of a gun, or even at knife point, you'd wish it were different at that moment.