Support gun control?

duncanmac · 03-20-2005, 08:17 PM

A to Z a Firearms Refresher Course

a. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

b. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

c. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface.

d. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

e. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

g. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

h. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

i. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

j. The United States Constitution © 1791 by "We, The People". All Rights Reserved.

k. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

l. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

m. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

n. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

o. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

p. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

q. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

r. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

s. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.

t. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

u. Only a government that is afraid of it's citizens tries to control them.

v. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

w. Enforce the "gun control laws" we have, don't make more.

x. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

y. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.

z. "...a government by the people, for the people..."

duncanmac · 03-20-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by liberalguy

I think it should be illegal for anyone to have a weapon. Crime rates would decrease dramatically. You can't argue that it just makes sense.

Yes I can argue that.Criminals are just that,criminals.They don't care about the law.If you take away guns from law abiding citizens,it makes it easier to go about their everyday business,commiting more crime.If a criminal doesn't know who is protected in their own home,it may make them think a little more about the life they choose to live.

hevusa · 03-20-2005, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by duncanmac

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Originally Posted by liberalguy

I think it should be illegal for anyone to have a weapon. Crime rates would decrease dramatically. You can't argue that it just makes sense.

Yes I can argue that.Criminals are just that,criminals.They don't care about the law.If you take away guns from law abiding citizens,it makes it easier to go about their everyday business,commiting more crime.If a criminal doesn't know who is protected in their own home,it may make them think a little more about the life they choose to live.

Statistics say you are completely wrong. You probably don't want to admit it because you like the false sense of ego when you hold one.

It is time to crack down on weapons in America.

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000) for Young Males in Selected Countries - 1993

Firearms Deaths by Mode of Death for Children <15 Years of Age.
Top 10 Countries - Rate per 100,000

duncanmac · 03-23-2005, 10:04 PM

Generalizations,stereotyping.Even after a week not here because of computer problems you still don't change your tactics.What are you trying to say?Do you think your statistics prove your point?As I have said before,statistics can be skewed to prove anything at all.Look at the stats.The largest # of deaths in the US was by murder.Murderer is by definition a crime.Therefore someone who commits murder is a .....CRIMINAL.Gee,how hard is that to figure out.Put the fuckers away instead of coddling them and the crime rate drops.Simple to understand,even for you.By the way,ALL of the deaths in Northern Ireland were by suicide?Please.This is a load of crap.
If you don't know me(and you don't) don't tryand make a generalization about my owning a gun.My reasons for what I do in my life are mine,not open to your amateurish attempts at psychiatry.

hevusa · 03-23-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by duncanmac

Generalizations,stereotyping.Even after a week not here because of computer problems you still don't change your tactics.What are you trying to say?Do you think your statistics prove your point?As I have said before,statistics can be skewed to prove anything at all.Look at the stats.The largest # of deaths in the US was by murder.Murderer is by definition a crime.Therefore someone who commits murder is a .....CRIMINAL.Gee,how hard is that to figure out.Put the fuckers away instead of coddling them and the crime rate drops.Simple to understand,even for you.By the way,ALL of the deaths in Northern Ireland were by suicide?Please.This is a load of crap.
If you don't know me(and you don't) don't tryand make a generalization about my owning a gun.My reasons for what I do in my life are mine,not open to your amateurish attempts at psychiatry.

These are deaths when a gun is involved. Not ALL deaths obviously. Throw them all in jail huh? Sure, that seems to have worked thus far. Why don't people like you understand the destruction firearms cause in this country? How the hell were you raised to believe that guns are anything but a tool to kill?

Our jails are maxed to the brim. Throwing them in jail solves NOTHING.

duncanmac · 03-24-2005, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hevusa

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Originally Posted by duncanmac

Generalizations,stereotyping.Even after a week not here because of computer problems you still don't change your tactics.What are you trying to say?Do you think your statistics prove your point?As I have said before,statistics can be skewed to prove anything at all.Look at the stats.The largest # of deaths in the US was by murder.Murderer is by definition a crime.Therefore someone who commits murder is a .....CRIMINAL.Gee,how hard is that to figure out.Put the fuckers away instead of coddling them and the crime rate drops.Simple to understand,even for you.By the way,ALL of the deaths in Northern Ireland were by suicide?Please.This is a load of crap.
If you don't know me(and you don't) don't tryand make a generalization about my owning a gun.My reasons for what I do in my life are mine,not open to your amateurish attempts at psychiatry.

These are deaths when a gun is involved. Not ALL deaths obviously. Throw them all in jail huh? Sure, that seems to have worked thus far. Why don't people like you understand the destruction firearms cause in this country? How the hell were you raised to believe that guns are anything but a tool to kill?

Our jails are maxed to the brim. Throwing them in jail solves NOTHING.

Not all deaths involve guns.Not all gun incidents involve deaths.How many gun incidents involving legal gunowners are there?I will bet that the # is alot lower than you believe.Outlawing guns is the answer huh?alcohol prohibition showed that will work really well.Why don't people like you understand the # of lives saved by a legal gun owner when he uses his gun to defend his family and his property?But those numbers don't mean shit to you and your ilk.What would you do with criminals who take someone else property or someones life?What is the answer?
I was raised to respect other peoples property and to respect life.I was also raised to believe that if someone is trying to take something away from you by force you have the right to defend yourself and your property.In other words I was raised by two hardworking caring parents who believe that you work to get what you want,you don't just take it. If you throw these criminals in jail,they are not going to continue to commit crimes on others.That is what jail and the penal system is for.
You still haven't answered the question about Northern Ireland.All deaths by gun use was suicide in your poll?My ass.In that strife torn country?Bullshit.

RidinHighSpeeds · 03-24-2005, 07:35 AM

My great uncle lived off of hunting and his farm. He owns a couple thousand acres of land in Vermont and his whole life he hunted deer for food and took care of his farm. When I walk in his house he has deer heads on the wall and he is in many contests for deer hunting. He was raised up that way when he was a kid and that is the way he lives. He is very old fashioned but his way of life is interesting.

He did pass away but I feel guns should be in the hands of those who take care of them and use them for sport or food. I don't know how we can control this but if guns were taken away from my Uncle when he was alive, It would be like having your brother or sister murdered. To some people it's their pleasure and way of life. To take that away from them would be too stressful if it's been a part of their life for some time.

Just my opinion.

hevusa · 03-24-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

My great uncle lived off of hunting and his farm. He owns a couple thousand acres of land in Vermont and his whole life he hunted deer for food and took care of his farm. When I walk in his house he has deer heads on the wall and he is in many contests for deer hunting. He was raised up that way when he was a kid and that is the way he lives. He is very old fashioned but his way of life is interesting.

He did pass away but I feel guns should be in the hands of those who take care of them and use them for sport or food. I don't know how we can control this but if guns were taken away from my Uncle when he was alive, It would be like having your brother or sister murdered. To some people it's their pleasure and way of life. To take that away from them would be too stressful if it's been a part of their life for some time.

Just my opinion.

I completely agree with you on this (check my original post in this thread). While I personally wouldn't mind guns being completely banned I don't think that is realistic in this country or even completely necessary.

Hunters should be allowed to own riffles under strict laws, meaning they actually have to be a licensed hunter with knowledge of firearms to own one. It is a way of life, a tradition and one that should be preserved.

Handguns are the problem for violence in cities and suburban areas. A great compromise would be to completely ban handguns and start working on getting them off the street. With the amount of handguns there are in America it would take a great deal of time but I think the results would be well worth it. This would also allow us to ban military grade weapons (like an M-16 or what have you), cause you know damn well you don't need one of those to shoot a deer.

onthefence · 03-24-2005, 11:10 AM

The accidental deaths are preventable, it's all about education.
Gun owners need to be responsible and lock their guns and ammo separately. All guns should have a trigger lock on them. Kids need to be taught that guns are not toys and that they need to be respected.

Just my opinion

RidinHighSpeeds · 03-24-2005, 12:51 PM

Hear about that nitwit kid who killed his grandparents and seven people at school? I guess his grandfather was a cop and had his weapons at home which were probably not locked up.

Some people are just sick in this world.