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Old 12-27-2005, 11:26 PM   #11 (permalink)
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What if there was a required civics class in gun safety? They would only be able to mandate it in public schools, but do you (all) think that would help at all?
Guns could be treated like cars. But with required education in their use. You'd have to take a test, written and practical to be allowed to legally operate a gun, and you would have to register your gun and have it inspected annually (check for illegal modifications, and a good oppotunity for tax revenue).
Those seem like good ideas to me. With that kind of regulation, could we get Supreme Court cases actually regarding a question in the Second Amendment?
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What if there was a required civics class in gun safety? They would only be able to mandate it in public schools, but do you (all) think that would help at all?
Guns could be treated like cars. But with required education in their use. You'd have to take a test, written and practical to be allowed to legally operate a gun, and you would have to register your gun and have it inspected annually (check for illegal modifications, and a good oppotunity for tax revenue).
Much better idea than banning guns. I don't want to turn into England. Criminals will still smuggle guns, even if they are outlawed. 99% of the people who own legit guns are responsible people. The only real problem is that if you have one, you are also much more willing to use it (for a situation that may not warrant it) and it if you are getting robbed; it raises the chances of you getting shot (if he doesn't tie you up first, I'd let him leave and shoot the fucker right after he leaves my house). Obviously those arguments at that strong for gun banishment, and they shouldn't be. They're concerns, and why I support more gun education, albeit not in school unless htere's simply a program there after-school or something. Do it on your own time. Not during the schoolday.

Hell, I'd love to go buy an AKMS or M4 right now. Who really cares that assault rifles are legal? You still can't buy banana clips, and all it takes is one bullet. Going through your 10-rd clip in 1.5 seconds isn't useful to the shooter unless he has a single target at close range.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:41 PM   #13 (permalink)
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What if there was a required civics class in gun safety? They would only be able to mandate it in public schools, but do you (all) think that would help at all?
Guns could be treated like cars. But with required education in their use. You'd have to take a test, written and practical to be allowed to legally operate a gun, and you would have to register your gun and have it inspected annually (check for illegal modifications, and a good oppotunity for tax revenue).
Much better idea than banning guns. I don't want to turn into England. Criminals will still smuggle guns, even if they are outlawed. 99% of the people who own legit guns are responsible people. The only real problem is that if you have one, you are also much more willing to use it (for a situation that may not warrant it) and it if you are getting robbed; it raises the chances of you getting shot (if he doesn't tie you up first, I'd let him leave and shoot the fucker right after he leaves my house). Obviously those arguments at that strong for gun banishment, and they shouldn't be. They're concerns, and why I support more gun education, albeit not in school unless htere's simply a program there after-school or something. Do it on your own time. Not during the schoolday.

Hell, I'd love to go buy an AKMS or M4 right now. Who really cares that assault rifles are legal? You still can't buy banana clips, and all it takes is one bullet. Going through your 10-rd clip in 1.5 seconds isn't useful to the shooter unless he has a single target at close range.
They are magazines, not clips. Clips are used to load magazines. Very few Weapons (the M1 Garrand) can actually fire from a clip.

Sorry for the nit-picking but as a military weapons specialist, people refering to magazines as 'clips' irritates the pig piss out of me.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
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What if there was a required civics class in gun safety? They would only be able to mandate it in public schools, but do you (all) think that would help at all?
Guns could be treated like cars. But with required education in their use. You'd have to take a test, written and practical to be allowed to legally operate a gun, and you would have to register your gun and have it inspected annually (check for illegal modifications, and a good oppotunity for tax revenue).
Much better idea than banning guns. I don't want to turn into England. Criminals will still smuggle guns, even if they are outlawed. 99% of the people who own legit guns are responsible people. The only real problem is that if you have one, you are also much more willing to use it (for a situation that may not warrant it) and it if you are getting robbed; it raises the chances of you getting shot (if he doesn't tie you up first, I'd let him leave and shoot the fucker right after he leaves my house). Obviously those arguments at that strong for gun banishment, and they shouldn't be. They're concerns, and why I support more gun education, albeit not in school unless htere's simply a program there after-school or something. Do it on your own time. Not during the schoolday.

Hell, I'd love to go buy an AKMS or M4 right now. Who really cares that assault rifles are legal? You still can't buy banana clips, and all it takes is one bullet. Going through your 10-rd clip in 1.5 seconds isn't useful to the shooter unless he has a single target at close range.
They are magazines, not clips. Clips are used to load magazines. Very few Weapons (the M1 Garrand) can actually fire from a clip.

Sorry for the nit-picking but as a military weapons specialist, people refering to magazines as 'clips' irritates the pig piss out of me.
I understand completely. I'd be nitpicking it too. So the clips are basically those metal things that hold like 5 or 10 rounds, like you see people being given in Enemy at the Gates? I tend to call them clips because I tend to call the chamber the magazine aha. and it's quicker to type
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What if there was a required civics class in gun safety? They would only be able to mandate it in public schools, but do you (all) think that would help at all?
Guns could be treated like cars. But with required education in their use. You'd have to take a test, written and practical to be allowed to legally operate a gun, and you would have to register your gun and have it inspected annually (check for illegal modifications, and a good oppotunity for tax revenue).
Much better idea than banning guns. I don't want to turn into England. Criminals will still smuggle guns, even if they are outlawed. 99% of the people who own legit guns are responsible people. The only real problem is that if you have one, you are also much more willing to use it (for a situation that may not warrant it) and it if you are getting robbed; it raises the chances of you getting shot (if he doesn't tie you up first, I'd let him leave and shoot the fucker right after he leaves my house). Obviously those arguments at that strong for gun banishment, and they shouldn't be. They're concerns, and why I support more gun education, albeit not in school unless htere's simply a program there after-school or something. Do it on your own time. Not during the schoolday.

Hell, I'd love to go buy an AKMS or M4 right now. Who really cares that assault rifles are legal? You still can't buy banana clips, and all it takes is one bullet. Going through your 10-rd clip in 1.5 seconds isn't useful to the shooter unless he has a single target at close range.
They are magazines, not clips. Clips are used to load magazines. Very few Weapons (the M1 Garrand) can actually fire from a clip.

Sorry for the nit-picking but as a military weapons specialist, people refering to magazines as 'clips' irritates the pig piss out of me.
I understand completely. I'd be nitpicking it too. So the clips are basically those metal things that hold like 5 or 10 rounds, like you see people being given in Enemy at the Gates? I tend to call them clips because I tend to call the chamber the magazine aha. and it's quicker to type
Exactly, clips typically hold 10 rounds. The 'chamber' is the chamber, or the bore.
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Exactly, clips typically hold 10 rounds. The 'chamber' is the chamber, or the bore.
I'll bore you, biatch.

Speaking of that...another point of semantics: You pistol-whip someone by hitting them with a pistol. Can you shotgun-whip someone, or is it pistol-whipped by shotgun, or is it just "beat down by a boomstick"?
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Exactly, clips typically hold 10 rounds. The 'chamber' is the chamber, or the bore.
I'll bore you, biatch.

Speaking of that...another point of semantics: You pistol-whip someone by hitting them with a pistol. Can you shotgun-whip someone, or is it pistol-whipped by shotgun, or is it just "beat down by a boomstick"?
Striking someone with a long gun is generally referred to as 'butt-stroking' them, because you hit them with the butt of the weapon.

I'll tell you what is even better... Rake the ribs...

Drag the butt of the weapon down hard across their ribs... That really sucks.
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That sent chills up my spine.

Tadpole, is there a place outside the military to learn quality hand to hand combat? For years now I have wanted to learn but never know where to go. I guess I could just go to the local asian combat arts place (karate, tai kwan do, etc) But I wanted something with an American twist.
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That sent chills up my spine.

Tadpole, is there a place outside the military to learn quality hand to hand combat? For years now I have wanted to learn but never know where to go. I guess I could just go to the local asian combat arts place (karate, tai kwan do, etc) But I wanted something with an American twist.
There are a variety of martial arts academies to choose from, many of which teach Jeet Kun Do {sp?} which is the martial art form that Bruce Lee created here in America. There are also military style boot camps and martial arts academies that teach Armed Forces Fighting Techniques and Marine Corps Martial Arts, as well as basic defense and control techniques. Pick up a copy of Soldier of Fortune or another such magazine for details.
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There are a variety of martial arts academies to choose from, many of which teach Jeet Kun Do {sp?} which is the martial art form that Bruce Lee created here in America. There are also military style boot camps and martial arts academies that teach Armed Forces Fighting Techniques and Marine Corps Martial Arts, as well as basic defense and control techniques. Pick up a copy of Soldier of Fortune or another such magazine for details.
Wow that's very interesting! I've been thinking about going back into martial arts so i'll be sure to check out Jeet Kun Do.

I took Tae Kwon Do for a year when I was around 12 years old. My instructor was a Boston police officer with a 3rd degree blackbelt. One good technique he had was he would make us fight him before our tournaments the next day. Yea he would woop our ass, but the next day it seemed like cake facing all the other people in our class. We all did great thanks to him. I stopped taking Tae Kwon Do because I guess I just got lazy. But it's something I would definitely take again!

The only thing I didn't like was doing a split. Tae Kwon Do is mostly using your legs in combat and if you can do a split, you can surely do some cool moves while in combat.
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